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Posted May 3, '13 at 3:22am

pangtongshu

pangtongshu

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They can express their views on that sort of thing, but that's not an argument against marriage. If that's their argument, it's for the other thread, not here. It's no different than if someone starts rambling scripture in a science thread.

From personal experience..they seem to find it a pretty valid argument against marriage. I just don't get it
(how they think it is a valid argument against marriage..in case anyone decided to read my "I just don't get it" in the wrong context)

And then they immediately get slapped with the elderly/infertile/platonic who want to get married. It's asinine.

yay story time

So..I was in a debate with this random person on a different site..and it was, of course, over homosexual marriage. He stated he was against it..in which one of his reasons was because they could not produce children, which is what marriage is designed for. I brought up the counter-argument of the elderly/infertile/etc (among others)..and his response was (I'm paraphrasing..but pretty close to what he actually said)
[i]I'm fine with the elderly and infertile being able to marry, because they are apart of the population of which is the heterosexual population. They are such a small population of that group, that allowing them to marry doesn't have any significant effects"

Oh yeah..and he denied the idea of the elderly and infertile being in a separate group..he insisted vehemently that they are apart of the heterosexual population, and because they are so they should be able to bask in the glory of it.

Also..he brought up an argument stating that allowing homosexuals to marry would increase the costs of marriage benefit related items (I believe. I could be very wrong on this..but essentially, something would increase in cost if homosexuals were allowed to marry, causing too much of a burden on the heterosexual population that would have to pay for it as apart of taxes.)
In other words..cheaper goods are more important than human equality

 

Posted May 3, '13 at 4:59am

wontgetmycatnip

wontgetmycatnip

95 posts

I say we should inflict marriage on gay people.

 

Posted May 3, '13 at 6:36am

partydevil

partydevil

5,109 posts

Marriage between a gay and straight person would be a sight to see!

happens more often then you might think ;)

some homosexuals live a life of a straight person because they are afraid to come out of the closet.
including marriage whit a straight person and even getting children whit them.

This is a completely different topic from that of the other thread; a question of freedom and legality instead of right or wrong.

give it 3 pages or 1 guy going against it. and we are on the same debate =P

 

Posted May 3, '13 at 10:39am

xeano321

xeano321

2,598 posts

Knight

I really don't see any difference between Straight or Gay people. I personally don't think they need any special rights just for them.

 

Posted May 3, '13 at 11:30am

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

5,011 posts

..they seem to find it a pretty valid argument against marriage.

Of course they do. And nuts think scripture is a pretty valid argument against science. Doesn't mean it is.

They are such a small population of that group, that allowing them to marry doesn't have any significant effects

If marriage is designed for children, they're doing it wrong.

causing too much of a burden on the heterosexual population that would have to pay for it as apart of taxes

That means he's against marriage, at least the monetary benefits, not just gay marriage. I would've likely spun it to "colored people causing too much of a burden on the white population that would have to pay for it as a part of taxes", but he might agree with that.

 

Posted May 3, '13 at 12:13pm

TerminatorXM214

TerminatorXM214

226 posts

give it 3 pages or 1 guy going against it. and we are on the same debate =P

     
Oh well. I guess I'm the one going against it.

Here's the deal with me: for people who don't believe in the Bible, and who don't think there is a God, or at least not the Christians God, there is nothing wrong with homosexuals getting married to the same gender.
               
There is no way for me to convince any non-Christian that it's wrong without first getting them to believe that the Bible is true and right and that God's laws should be obeyed, which wouldn't be an easy task.

But if this debate continues, I may be able get y'all thinking about it.

For anyone who claims to be Christian, but still supports homosexual marriage, I have to tell you, that goes against the Bible. Here's my speech for anyone who claims to be Christian in any way and still supports it:

God created man and woman. There's a reason He didn't create man and
man, or woman and woman. He says "One man shall marry one woman", not
"One man shall marry one man". In the book of Leviticus, he says that
both people practicing homosexuality would be immediately stoned.

God made marriage, and also uses it as an example for how Christ loves
the Church, and how the Church should love Christ. When someone messes
with that design, they are disobeying God.

So how could anyone claim to be a Christian and still support this?
Well, that's what I have to say, even though I'm not sure there are any Christian gay supporters reading this.

 

Posted May 3, '13 at 12:27pm

EmperorPalpatine

EmperorPalpatine

5,011 posts

God's laws should be obeyed

Which ones?

In the book of Leviticus, he says that
both people practicing homosexuality would be immediately stoned.

It also says you may buy people who come from neighboring countries as slaves for life. Such a moral high ground.

 

Posted May 3, '13 at 1:15pm

Kasic

Kasic

5,592 posts

It also says you may buy people who come from neighboring countries as slaves for life. Such a moral high ground.

And that a rapist must marry his victim.

There is no way for me to convince any non-Christian that it's wrong without first getting them to believe that the Bible is true and right and that God's laws should be obeyed, which wouldn't be an easy task.

How do you know you're interpreting your scripture correctly? How do you know that your religion is the right one? How do you know that particular book in the Bible you're referencing was not made up?

"One man shall marry one man". In the book of Leviticus, he says that
both people practicing homosexuality would be immediately stoned.

Explain why we witness homosexual behaviors in over 1500 different species.

God made marriage

People made marriage. The idea of joining two people together in some sort of ceremony has arisen in many different areas across the world independently.

and also uses it as an example for how Christ loves
the Church, and how the Church should love Christ.

Pope is male. Christ is male. Hmm...
Priests are almost always male. Christ is male. Hmm...
Half of any given congregation is male. Christ is male. Hmm...

 

Posted May 3, '13 at 1:16pm

HahiHa

HahiHa

5,083 posts

Knight

God created man and woman. There's a reason He didn't create man and
man, or woman and woman. He says "One man shall marry one woman", not
"One man shall marry one man".

- And what's that reason, can you tell me?
- What he does not say is automatically wrong?
- He obviously created gay people too, unless you are going to deny their existence. How do you interpret that?

In the book of Leviticus, he says that
both people practicing homosexuality would be immediately stoned.

He also says that wearing the clothes of the opposite sex should be amended by stoning, and that kids who don't obey their parents shall be brought to the elders and stoned. Now go out, obey your Lord and do your duty. Good luck with that.

So how could anyone claim to be a Christian and still support this?

Personal interpretation.

 

Posted May 3, '13 at 1:37pm

partydevil

partydevil

5,109 posts

give it 3 pages or 1 guy going against it. and we are on the same debate =P

tadaaaa xD

 
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