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KnightDeclan
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Our government is getting very greedy. They just take, take, take, spend, spend, spend. "Hey Joe, you go work hard, make money, but I'll take some of it, because Tim doesn't want to work. And I'll take some of it and buy some weapons." i just think it's totally wrong, and unnecessary. So I was thinking of a good alternative. Capitalism seems like the safest bet. If you want somebody to find your stolen purse, who would work harder? A police station trying to protect their reputation so they would make more business, or a police station who just wants to get back to their workout equipment, and are getting paid anyway? If you want to fund some sort of movement, go ahead, you shouldn't be FORCED to in this so called "free country." I just don't see the downside. If you lose ur job, then it'll still be easier to live because you won't have to pay taxes and you're not taking money from other hard workers. (If you don't want bills, then don't use the appliances or such) I mean, it just seems like the right way to live, where YOU are in charge of your own life. Why should these guys get to have authority over you?

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Kasic
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Your goal is to make sure everyone is covered - no matter what the cost. My goal is to decrease the cost, therefore everyone can afford coverage.


I don't care how it's done, so long as the end result is anyone needing treatment can receive what they need without worrying they're going to be forced to leave their home just to pay for it.

The reason I keep advocating a socialistic method is because we know that method works. We have examples of how to do it from various countries around the world. And right now, people are dying and suffering because our healthcare system sucks when it comes to everything other than the quality of the treatment itself.

Lets figure out why education is so ridiculously expensive. Why the machines cost so much. Why there isn't competition between hospitals and why insurance companies don't compete more fiercely.

Prices are high, so it's a cost issue. Forcing everyone to pay for insurance won't decrease the prices at all. Let's find a real solution, not a band aid.


So what do you suggest?
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This might be of interest comparing the cost per person to the average life expectancy from different countries.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/HC-Graph.jpg/780px-HC-Graph.jpg

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I find it interesting that the apparently more costly socialized systems cost less than the US and provide a far better life expectancies in their countries.

Perhaps we should look at what else other countries in contract are getting. Maybe the healthcare is less efficient, so how about we look at the amenable mortality (unnecessary and untimely premature deaths from certain causes that are potentially preventable with timely and effective health care) vs. what we see int he US.

http://www.commonwealthfund.org/Publications/In-the-Literature/2011/Sep/~/media/Images/Publications/In%20the%20Literature/2011/Sep/Preventable%20Death%20l.gif

The argument of each paying our own way may hold more water if we were dealing with something that we didn't all need to some degree or another.

SSTG
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I find it interesting that the apparently more costly socialized systems cost less than the US and provide a far better life expectancies in their countries.

Lets start by closing all the loopholes that greedy and selfish riches use to avoid paying their fair share of taxes, eliminate the middlemen everywhere, bring back the government people's salary down to normal instead of astronomically high, keep a tight watch on services provided by the States to avoid corruption and overspending. Right there the budget would be balanced and then we can start implementing working solutions.
EmperorPalpatine
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Lets start by closing all the loopholes that greedy and selfish riches use to avoid paying their fair share of taxes

The actual 'loopholes' are rare; sure some offshoring and other money shifting. It's still a good thing if some restrictions are put on those, but the main way they 'avoid' taxes is by not having a wage/salary income, but dividends instead, which have low capital gains rates. But if that's increased too much, it deters investing in businesses, greatly slowing the economy.
MageGrayWolf
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Lets start by closing all the loopholes that greedy and selfish riches use to avoid paying their fair share of taxes, eliminate the middlemen everywhere, bring back the government people's salary down to normal instead of astronomically high, keep a tight watch on services provided by the States to avoid corruption and overspending. Right there the budget would be balanced and then we can start implementing working solutions.


Does this only exist in the US as apposed to the other countries that seem to have things with healthcare under control?
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And, as I said before, there were zero moral issues when it came to the price of goods after Katrina. You're completely ignoring supply and demand.


I'm not ignoring supply and demand..I've stated each time how these people had to purchase these goods..they had no say in the matter. The only person with any say were those that got to choose the amount the people had to fork over.

Now, as a Libertarian, from my understanding, you are all about personal freedom..correct? I understand the point of the market..but why is the freedom scratched in terms of the consumers who lost their freedom when they were made to purchase these items due to Katrina? Granted, they had a choice, but the other option was that of, essentially, homelessness or even death.
SSTG
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Look what's going on right now. Some rich ********, Republican mostly are holding the government hostage. These traitors should be thrown in jail!
Maybe next time people will think twice about electing those unpatriotic weasels!

SSTG
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Wow look what I just found! Interesting, VERY interesting!
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-03/republicans-are-no-longer-the-party-of-business#r=read

See what those Tea Party terrorists are doing to the economy?
I think Republicans need to wake up and throw these morons out of their party before they're screwed for good.

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I think Republicans need to wake up and throw these morons out of their party before they're screwed for good.

Can't; the GOP passed a nutcase event horizon a while back so they're bigger than the smart lot and they haven't yet invented a new mental condition that allows them to just throw the lot of 'em into the loonybin.
Bring back good old-fashioned two-faced politics! Eradicate honesty in government!
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