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I didn't state that rape is common or a problem. I stated that the article makes said statements.
Men... at least most men... want to have sex. Some men will stoop as low as to getting a girl drunk or even spiking her drink so that she makes poorer decisions or is completely comatose.
What I meant by adult party dynamic is that if you get a bunch of 18-25 year old people together and get them drunk or just get them partying then romantic advances are going to be made.
âIF ANYTHING EVER FAILS, GO GET MORE ALCOHOL.â
If that isnât a perpetuation of rape culture, then I donât know what is.
^this is what I was addressing (not the other normal version of rape) Some people say that having intercourse with an inebriated person is the same thing as rape since they weren't able to think about the situation completely and give proper consent (frontal lobe inhibition and all that). That's what I meant. Notice that I elaborated earlier and differentiated between the breaking and entering version of rape and the had too much to drink to give proper consent version of rape.
The talking to frat boys thing was meant to be interpreted as telling them to be better people / not to rape people. The educating the ignorant was meant to be directed to the people that would say "Some guys will get me drinks just to get me drunk enough to sleep with them when I originally didn't want to??? I HAD NO IDEA!?!?!" ..... the term "sexual assault" might also be getting used for times when a girl was too inebriated to properly consent. The article focuses on the inebriation scenario more than it does the other type.
There's a video of a woman somewhere who wanted to hug a polar bear so bad that she jumped into an enclosure at a zoo... she then proceeded to get mauled and wondered why it happened. ( I think she was actually not all there at the time mentally, so it's only pseudo relevant) Do you need to get mauled by a polar bear to know that you can't just go up and hug one randomly? Do you need to get your drink spiked once at a party to know that you shouldn't accept drinks from people you don't completely know/trust? Do you need to get black out drunk before you know that you can't trust everyone with your blacked out body?
It's the guys who would take advantage of the situation's fault, but there are those who get themselves into these situations and get taken advantage of when a little common sense would've saved them the heartache, and that's what I meant when I said educating the seemingly ignorant.
I've been told since I was a kid not to take candy from strangers, not to accept drinks from people I don't know, not to drink from drinks that I haven't kept my eye on the entire time in that setting, not to be alone with or go off with people I don't know or trust. You can't always trust people not to take advantage of you. etc...
I kind of agree but disagree with your media thing. Is the media really driving the behavior and at fault or is it simply a litmus test showing that it exists in society today? Sex sells, but the media didn't have to make it that way. Maybe it sells because that's what enough people want in order to make it sell. I don't know that it's so much that people value money over humanity as they do sex over most things (everyone's different, but the subset that the media is showing all the sexy things to is the one I'm talking about).
if money was the end all be all, then guys probably wouldn't be buying these girls as many drinks
What I really think the article is touching on aside from the raping is the notch in your belt culture where some guys see women as tally marks to be had rather than people... but since it's a feminist article it attacks the situation with the rape angle.
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most people turn 21 while in college. enabling people to buy it without hassle would seem to increase the chances of inebriation. I understand what phil was getting at, and I understand why it was too absolutist and "if male, then drunk" for you. Read what he means and not what he says. It's better to think in terms of probabilities, sensitivity, and specificity, than it is "if... then.." statements.
I wrote this in parts and didn't really proofread it at all, so I apologize for the redundant parts and the lack of proper sentence structure