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Posted Nov 14, '08 at 11:25pm

thewilddingo

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The U.S.A has the most power in the world and is considered the superpower....but why ?

The only major thing that we did was bomb Japan

Webombed them

germany gave up because they were afraid right?? how come they couldn't just bomb us to continue the war??the germans had so much power....why did they basically put it to waste???

 

Posted Nov 14, '08 at 11:46pm

Estel

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Well Germany basically gave up because we were on their shores and closing in. Germany was strong, but the US and allies had the tactics.

I'd say that the US did many major things other than the bombing. Ultimately winning the battle in Germany thus freeing all of those in concentration camps seems pretty major to me.

Don't get me wrong, Germany had power, but the Allied forces had more. Germany would have been stupid to bomb us. They were already in a tight situation, so the bombs had to be used on our soldiers on the fighting grounds. And I'm pretty sure Germany didn't have the knowledge of how to make and release a nuclear bomb.

 

Posted Nov 14, '08 at 11:47pm

Parsat

Parsat

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No. There are a number of factors why Germany failed to win despite their early victories. (not in order of importance, except for the first)

1. Hitler. In more ways than one, we can actually thank our lucky stars that Hitler was quite inept as a military leader. Had he not risen to power, it can't be doubted that the current German atmosphere would have produced one as cruel as Hitler, only smarter. Hitler's talent was in his oration. If you understand German, or even just watch his gestures as he makes a speech, you will see the true pathos, the true passion that allowed him to stir up the German people. He was the final say in military affairs, often ignoring the advice of his military advisers (particularly in the last years of the war, with his disastrous "no retreat at all costs" approach). He diverted way too many resources sustaining the Holocaust, draining what could have gone into his army. He had a very bad temper, often throwing tantrums, and generally mistrusting everyone. Hitler was in fact a rather poor leader. Some point to the economic prosperity he ushered in. That was because he was gearing up the German war effort.
2. Failure to squash Russia quickly. You see, Mussolini had decided that he was tired of being under Hitler and decided to capture Greece and North Africa by himself. That didn't go so well, and Hitler was forced to delay his planned invasion of Russia. This delay was enough for the winter to come, halting the war machine at Stalingrad.
3. The coming of America in the European war effort bolstered Allied morale and brought in more troops.
4. The loss of air and sea domination as the war went on. After the Battle of Britain, the Luftwaffe entered a steady decline in the quality of its pilots and its planes, as well as fuel shortage. The Kriegsmarine (the navy) saw much of its surface fleet (warships) scrapped in favor of U-boats after a botched attempt to attack an Allied convoy, the Battle of the Barents Sea. The coming of the Americans replaced British U-boat losses, and the Allies eventually caught on to the U-boat tactics, effectively ending its threat.
5. Encirclement. Germany encountered the same situation that it had confronted 25 years before: two fronts. This time, however, Russia was a much more formidable force, and they had not reckoned for the Atlantic Wall to be penetrated. After the failure of their counterattack in the Ardennes (the Battle of the Bulge), the Germans were subjected to an age-old, tried-and-true military tactic: encirclement.
6. Resistance work, to some extent. Although in the big picture, the numerous Resistances in France, Norway, and the Netherlands did not greatly affect the course of the war, they did throw enough sand in the German war machine's gears (both figuratively and literally) to give a slight edge over the Germans. They also did invaluable spy work as well as rescuing commandos.

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Posted Nov 14, '08 at 11:55pm

Parsat

Parsat

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And I'm pretty sure Germany didn't have the knowledge of how to make and release a nuclear bomb.


The Germans did have a nuclear bomb project, started after the discovery of nuclear fission. It was marred by internal opposition to government control and theoretical physicists, as well as the draft, which created a "missing generation" of physicists.

For a while, though, the Allies had feared that the Germans might developed a nuke until they caught on to the real state of things. The German nuclear project isn't mentioned very often because little came out of it; probably the best known thing about it in the popular eye is the Norwegian Heavy Water Sabotage, in which a group of British-Norwegian commandoes managed to knock out a heavy water plant with the help of the Norwegian resistance and Allied bombing runs.
 

Posted Nov 15, '08 at 12:08am

Parsat

Parsat

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JesusPriest:

First of all, Hitler committed suicide with a Walther PPK, not the rather clumsy Luger.

Hitler was an AMAZING military leader. VERY few leaders could accomplish what he did under the conditions the Germans had. In the long, famous winter, almost any leader would fail several times more than him. He knew what he was doing. His problem was that he was insane.

He stumbled into the same trap that Napoleon did 100 years before him, only he came out of it a lot worse because he did not know how to retreat. As a military leader, he NEVER retreated, and that is one of the biggest tactical blunders you can make. He refused to reinforce troops during and after the winter, and when he did they were of inexperienced, half-trained troops. The credit would go to his troops for fighting so bravely and holding on as they did, not Hitler.

It would be very difficult to squash Soviet Russia, seeing as they can send out as many of they're people into the war as they want, and it is a MASSIVE country. They could send so many soldiers that the Germans would run out of ammo before they could possibly kill them all.

As I said, had not Germany been delayed by Mussolini, his blitzkrieg probably would have shattered through to Moscow and Stalingrad, because the Russians were TOTALLY unprepared for the assault. Their soldiers were barely trained, their penchant for linear attacks cut off their supply lines and got them massive casualties, their weapons were often obsolete, their officers were inexperienced, and their tanks and aircraft had been destroyed in the initial assault. It was the winter that gave the Russians time to regroup and use their skills in braving the cold. The arrival of the Americans removed the German advantage as well, because they were unprepared for a long war, having been used to quick blitzkriegs.
 

Posted Nov 15, '08 at 12:25am

Parsat

Parsat

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He knew how to keep the fighters going, even though they wanted nothing more than to leave. He had some very good ideas on how to keep them alive in the cold when they were so low on supplys. He was doing a better job than anyone else could.

If you have seen the German movie Stalingrad, you would know that the German soldiers were there only because they would be shot if they deserted/retreated, and they would be shot if they stayed. They fought bravely for their own survival, as did the French before them. Moreover, Hitler did not have any advice on how to stave off the cold, other than the winter clothes he sent, most of which never came. There is a certain point where propaganda is uneffective at all levels, and this was one of those where even Hitler's skill at manipulation could not surpass.
 

Posted Nov 15, '08 at 4:16am

thelistman

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germany gave up because they were afraid right?? how come they couldn't just bomb us to continue the war??the germans had so much power....why did they basically put it to waste???

Germany surrendered because the Soviet Union devastated them. The Soviets occupied Berlin. The war was over. The Germans had nothing else to give.

I have read many books on the subject. I don't remember the exact numbers but the Soviets were producing over 400 airplanes a day, while the Germans were losing 200 a day without the capacity to build anymore. The superior air power (and manpower) ended the Germans.

Also, the Americans had little to do with Germany losing. They simply sped up the victory. The Soviet Union was the reason why Germany lost. The Soviets lost over 27 million people to win that war, while the US lost about 150,000 in Europe.

 

Posted Nov 15, '08 at 4:29am

Zootsuit_riot

Zootsuit_riot

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The Soviets lost over 27 million people to win that war, while the US lost about 150,000 in Europe.


That's only 180 times more...No biggie guys, right?

Gotta hand it to the Japanese though; they had a great strategy from the start when it came to America.

"Okay, so, we're going to destroy a couple ships, and then...then we'll win."

I know that the bombing of Pearl Harbor was an attempt to destroy several fuel lines and many huge aircraft carriers, but still...The ships they were targeting left days before the actual attack.

Hitler was pretty brilliant about the whole "Involving the U.S.A." thing too. FDR didn't have the support in Congress to declare war on Japan, and the day after the Pearl Harbor bombings, Hitler declares war on the United States. So, good move Adolf.

I can't remember at what point the "Lend & Lease Act" was put into place, but it was one of the best political moves since the Emancipation Proclamation. The United States was able to lend weapons to the Allied Forces, but still supplied them to the Axis on a far smaller scale so it wouldn't look like we were ultimately taking sides.
 

Posted Nov 15, '08 at 12:00pm

Sucal

Sucal

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Soviets will not have won with out the US cus if the US did not got into the war most of Germany armys will have been on the Russia front. plus with out the US comeing from the other side of the Germany and from below it from itly Germany will have give up Berlin and move to itly or japan. if we have lost all are aircraft carriers we will have lost the navel war agnanst japan. US were make makeing more aircraft thin the soviets were. here a link the Production in WW2 [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II]

 

Posted Nov 15, '08 at 12:37pm

Sodis

Sodis

292 posts

The Germany did not give up there power for no purpose. Germany was making enemies fast, and losing allies. Italy, Germany's Allie, separated from the axis powers, leaving Germany and Japan to fight the allies. Japan made a mistake bombing Pearl Harbor for now the USA has joined the war. Germany has promised the Soviet Union that they would never invade them, but in 1941, the broke that promise and did so anyway, and there you go, another enemy. Around 1943, German's former Allie, Italy declared war on Germany.

In 1944, the Great Britain, The United States, and Canada, launched the biggest amphibious assault on history on Hitlers Atlantic Wall. Germany was under a lot of pressure, and finally after the Soviet Union invaded Berlin, Germany dropped out of the war.

Japan was alone, and now the Soviet Union had declared war on them. There emperor, Hideki Tojo told them to keep fighting but Japan knew the war was lost. The United states knew this was there chance to get revenge, and they dropped the world first atomic bomb on Hiroshima. Japan didn't know what to do, keep fighting and risk the lives of innocent civilians, or quit and face humiliations. before Japan could make up their mind, the United States dropped another atomic bomb on Nagasaki. And that gave the little push that the allies needed to make Japan quit.

Well that is World War II in a sort summary.