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Stalin was pretty much a terrorist more than anything else, enslaving 1/6 of the earth's land under a strict communist rule. However, Stalin's five year plans and pushes for industrialization might have saved the world from another harsh regime that sought to take over the world by storm and cleanse ethnic minorities. Stalin's rule brought Russia from a Czarist farmland to a modern super power, and thanks to his regime Hitler, and fascism was crushed for good.
Do you think that the economic development communism brought to Russia justified the terror it brought? Do you think there would be a world with any democracy had Stalin not pushed the people of Russia so hard and got the place running in time to top the spread of Nazism?
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Stalin didn't really have a clue about how to run a country, or about anything for that matter...
I'm not very sure the question relates to the problem. Communism in Russia was established before WWII, and there's not use in pondering alternative history what-ifs. Stalin did push his army hard, but I'm not sure that has much to do with communism so much as he was dedicated towards getting the invaders out. Britain managed to defeat the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain in a grueling battle, but I don't see what that has to do with its political system. In war, much more focuses on the leader instead.
-Well really???Any documents to back up your speech there?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Sorge
-Since he haven`t know that Wermacht will attack he was unprepared and he had to gather an army very fast, 2 months is fast for gathering the biggest army ever.
He DID know. He had intel of the troops on the german border. He made a speech saying warm with germany was imminent. He just didnt think it would happen so soon.
I'm not very sure the question relates to the problem. Communism in Russia was established before WWII, and there's not use in pondering alternative history what-ifs. Stalin did push his army hard, but I'm not sure that has much to do with communism so much as he was dedicated towards getting the invaders out. Britain managed to defeat the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain in a grueling battle, but I don't see what that has to do with its political system. In war, much more focuses on the leader instead.
All true besides the part about the politics. Before World War II, Stalin pushed the industry very hard. His primary concern was making the nation of Russia a super power at any cost. He could not have done that if he didn't have direct control over all aspects of the economy. Had Russia remained under the iron grip of the Czar, who was still pretty corrupt, I doubt the Russians would have made the industrial and economic leaps needed to actually fight against the Nazis. In fact the Russian Empire, had it lived up to 1939, might have even joined up with Hitler. There is no questioning as to whether or not Stalin made Russia as powerful as it was in 1939. Communism solved a lot of problems that Russia, which was basically one big farm loaded with churches, cathedrals and palaces, had economically. Whether or not the killings and the amount of people sent to prison is justified is another debate.
There is no questioning as to whether or not Stalin made Russia as powerful as it was in 1939.
he did push the weapons industry and did achieve building a super strong army, but he did never care about what his people are going to posses or even eat. under his ruling, the worst famine in the ukraine was experienced. and they have the most fertile grounds in europe.
so concluding stalin did push the industry but did never care and wanted to create a balanced economy with wealth for everyone
the reason this thread half-fails is the loss of information.
it was during WW1 that the Bolshevik Party took over the Czar palace and overthrew Russia. Vladimir Lenin instilled the Communist Government, and Russia was saved from the Czar's tyranny and horrible leadership.
Stalin used the trust and popularity that normally described the Bolshevik government, and while making many new reforms, the things he did to people were simply gawd-awful. Ever hear of The Gulag? Giant work camp in Siberia where Stalin put people he believed were conspiring against him.
Stalin used the trust and popularity that normally described the Bolshevik government, and while making many new reforms, the things he did to people were simply gawd-awful. Ever hear of The Gulag? Giant work camp in Siberia where Stalin put people he believed were conspiring against him.
Whether or not the Gulag justifies communism is a seperate debate. This is about communism getting Russia into a super power and therefore a force which could defeat the Nazi invaders.
Actually the Gulags are pretty directly related as it was some of their labor that helped in the production of war materials. I think all the casualties in the gulags should count as Russian casualties in the war.
It's indirectly related.
I don't think that Ukraine is so better now after the Orange revolution, some are very rich, but the majority is very poor. According to the UNDP in 2003 4.9 percent of the Ukrainian population lived under 2 US dollar a day. Reference
Significant issues include underdeveloped infrastructure (most of the Ukrainian road system has not been upgraded since the Soviet era, and is now outdated), corruption and bureaucracy.
Giant work camp in Siberia where Stalin put people he believed were conspiring against him.
Usually he killed people who conspired against him or that he thought that they could in the future.
Stalin's five year plans and pushes for industrialization might have saved the world from another harsh regime
What are you talking about?
Stalin killed and imprisoned over 30,000 million people by accusing them of false crimes and bribing the judges to allow him to win the case just so he could rise to power. His ascent was only made so because he was corrupt, cruel, and greedy. He was worse than Hitler, and that's saying something.
Stalin killed and imprisoned over 30,000 million people by accusing them of false crimes and bribing the judges to allow him to win the case just so he could rise to power. His ascent was only made so because he was corrupt, cruel, and greedy. He was worse than Hitler, and that's saying something.
Comrade, 30,000 million is a lot more people than people who acutally exist in Russia...or even China.
Hitler would have seen you thrown to the man-eating Panda Bears if he thought you were Jewish, gay, communist or any other minority he decreed was "subhuman".
30,000 million is a lot more people than people who acutally exist in Russia.
there were 107million people in russia when ww2 started. so how is impossible to kill 30mill in over twenty years?
russian communisum is bad but the idea of it is perfict we just aren't
Well, he said 30,000 million, which is like 3 billion.
30billion yes. you are right.
but it could also mean 30.000 million.
its confusing because every country uses comas and points differently according to numbers
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