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Posted Apr 5, '11 at 2:32am

Einfach

Einfach

1,433 posts

Genetically they can be homo-inclined, but they can comit themselves to be gay only by choice.

Define what it means to be gay.

 

Posted Apr 5, '11 at 2:37am

PracticalManiac

PracticalManiac

301 posts

Blatant ignorance never leads to anything. This discussion ends in a stalemate.

I have a problem with this, atheists are basing their proof on facts and knowledge while you are basing your proof on an ancient book made in a pretty well... for lack of a better statement, severely un educated time. Who are the ignorant ones here?

In your case anything is real if you say it is, you don't even need the proof, what kind of world/reality are you living in?

 

Posted Apr 5, '11 at 2:39am

vesperbot

vesperbot

986 posts

Einfach, for me to "be gay" is to be involved in same-sex sexual actions and not ditching them afterwards. There are still people who try this as an experiment, then stop this kind of activities for some reason, such people can't be named gay. I seem to have worded it wrong up there, "they can commit themselves to homosexual actions only by choice".

 

Posted Apr 5, '11 at 2:43am

Moe

Moe

1,780 posts

Homosexuality is not a choice.  And the most obvious and visible proof of this is those who are outspoken against it.  No person would choose ridicule and hatred from a very outspoken group.

Also, if you think homosexuality is a choice then heterosexuality is a choice.  And I don't know about you but I never choose to be attracted to women, yet I am.

 

Posted Apr 5, '11 at 2:43am

vesperbot

vesperbot

986 posts

I have a problem with this

You may have it unresolved as well. When I see a post full of "BS" statements, I classify it as ignorance. I'm speaking of God thus indeed referring to the Bible, and since the context is not shared, this means I am being ignored. Also I did state back there that God does not need to comply with binary logic, this in turn means that science, which is based on binary logic, cannot determine either God existing or God nonexisting. This statement hasn't been objected so far.

 

Posted Apr 5, '11 at 2:50am

PracticalManiac

PracticalManiac

301 posts

Ok... well what do you have to say to this. There is proof dismissing a god and any sort of deity. and there is no proof that god exists.

Evolution and countless scientific observations dismiss god I'm sure you have heard them plenty on the forums and I wont go into detail.

Nothing has ever happened that has ever proved a deity. Prayers are NEVER answered, I don't see Satan tricking anyone in any animal forms EVER nor do i EVER hear about it. God was all sorts of active back in the day but all of a sudden he dissapears? What is the evidence that proves a deity exists? There is none

 

Posted Apr 5, '11 at 2:51am

Einfach

Einfach

1,433 posts

This statement hasn't been objected so far.

OK - let me have a go at refutation...

Whether God exists or not, the universe still exists - we still have perception, etc.

Suppose a hypothetical p such that p is either true or false.

Define ~p such that if p is true, then ~p is false and vice versa.

Define p --> q such that (insert truth table)

This leads us to some axioms that are tautological (list axioms)
From these axioms, we can deduce (list a bunch of theorems)
Define more stuff , ^, v, etc. (list definitions)

All this stuff that has been listed is necessarily true or false - and it applies to all things, including God.  I don't see how God can possibly be "above" logic at all.

 

Posted Apr 5, '11 at 2:52am

PracticalManiac

PracticalManiac

301 posts

And I know you say god does not comply with binary logic, but this is not really evidence since I have no reason to believe of his existence in any way.

 

Posted Apr 5, '11 at 2:53am

Moe

Moe

1,780 posts

I don't see how God can possibly be "above" logic at all.

Thats because he can't.  The argument that God is above logic only exists because some people understand neither logic or God, then claim God must be above logic.

 

Posted Apr 5, '11 at 2:56am

Einfach

Einfach

1,433 posts

I don't see how God can possibly be "above" logic at all.

I'm sorry, I need to correct this statement.

God is above binary logic only because He doesn't exist!

 
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