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Remembers me of the first part of the Prophecy of the Popes, whose mottos were accurate because they had always been done afterwards.

Taking 25.01.1938 alone, yes indeed, taking Fatima's prediction, there's a link which God made that. Basically prophecies are to be read in conjunction with any events that are around. There are reports that the 2nd secret (which regarded 1938 aurora) was told by Laura to her confessor, and written down and sealed away to not get revealed prior to the time. Such secrets are normally kept sealed without any interference. It's like with Amsterdam 1945-1957, some info was sealed and then revealed to public.

Let's take a look at the part of the prophecy that supposedly speaks of this aurora.

"You have seen hell where the souls of poor sinners go. To save them, God wishes to establish in the world devotion to my Immaculate Heart. If what I say to you is done, many souls will be saved and there will be peace. The war is going to end: but if people do not cease offending God, a worse one will break out during the Pontificate of Pius XI. When you see a night illumined by an unknown light, know that this is the great sign given you by God that he is about to punish the world for its crimes, by means of war, famine, and persecutions of the Church and of the Holy Father."

First off this look extremely vague to me. it doesn't give any dates as to when this light is suppose to show up. Also we know what illuminated the sky that night. Now this prophecy get's sealed for nearly a decade until some event that could be interpreted to fit it happens and it get's shown to mean something? I call bull.
Another things I see here if we are to consider this prophecy as legit, it would mean God is responsible for World War II given that was the event this prophecy was related to.

I guess if we are to relate the events of this prophecy to WWII and take it with any seriousness, then I guess the Nazi's had it right with what they put on their belt buckles.

god was with the Nazis. And the Allies. Basically every theist in a war has god on their side. Or at least thinks they do and since God is all fantasy what people think is what God actually does.

Yes, obviously ignoring the possibility that it was made up and then released to everyone.

First off this look extremely vague to me. it doesn't give any dates as to when this light is suppose to show up. Also we know what illuminated the sky that night.

Basically every theist in a war has god on their side. Or at least thinks they do

First, "During the pontificate of Pius XI" is enough of a date setting.

you think you know, you haven't provided the complete scientific explanation of the lighting on 25.01.1938, though this being an aurora is a good one.

Pius died in February of 1939 and the war didn't start until September of 1939.

How is this not a valid scientific explanation?

Or are you trying to weasel through some bs of "well it's not 100% proven" argument?

There are know knowns and there are known unkowns, but there are also unkown unkowns things we don't know we don't know. Just cause you don't have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that something does not exist. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Sorry for spamming but that is just a quote that, I don't quite remember were I got it from, but I lost a bet recently and I must use it as frequently as possible when it involves a religious debate.

You do this all the time, why should I not treat you with your own medicine?

There are know knowns and there are known unkowns, but there are also unkown unkowns things we don't know we don't know. Just cause you don't have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that something does not exist. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.

Let me know when your ready to actually hold a discussion.

I am still amazed at mental gymanstics you are pulling to uphold this belief rather then consider you might be wrong due to the evidence.

Do you mind replying to the consructive part of my post?

I don't think any scientific evidence will throw me off this belief, because science is worldly, thus can only prove or disprove anything in the mundane plane (Big Bang included, evolution included, natural phenomena included, but science can't prove or disprove God as He is above mundane).

Nothing really, all you can do is try to drag god down to the mundane then have at it.

qwerty1011 required cast-iron proof and nothing else, so for me that debate died out by a good margin (since there is indeed no cast-iron proof of God existing, there's only evidence and reasons why there should be no such proof)

I don't think any scientific evidence will throw me off this belief, because science is worldly, thus can only prove or disprove anything in the mundane plane (Big Bang included, evolution included, natural phenomena included, but science can't prove or disprove God as He is above mundane).

There are know knowns and there are known unkowns, but there are also unkown unkowns things we don't know we don't know. Just cause you don't have evidence that something does exist does not mean that you have evidence that something does not exist. The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence.