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stephenking
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I was wondering if you actually do say the Pledge. Meself, I don't. I'll stand up for it, although I don't feel like standing. My reasons? Well, for one, I don't want to pledge to a country. Don't get me wrong, I think this country is great, but I don't pledge to anything. And, second, it says "with liberty and justice for all." Really? Can homosexuals marry the person they love? Can Atheists hold a place in office in some states? We are *a little bit* far from liberty, equality, and justice for all.

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314d1
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I was wondering if you actually do say the Pledge.


Every day, twice on Mondays.

, I don't. I'll stand up for it, although I don't feel like standing.


So... You do or you don't?

Don't get me wrong, I think this country is great, but I don't pledge to anything.


....Why not?

And, second, it says "with liberty and justice for all." Really? Can homosexuals marry the person they love? Can Atheists hold a place in office in some states? We are *a little bit* far from liberty, equality, and justice for all.


And? Liberty and justice are good goals, why not strive to it?

Can Atheists hold a place in office in some states?



....Yes? They can't in some states (Presumably?) but, of course, they can in some states...
Jake297
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What about "One nation, under God..."? That's an important part of the pledge too. As for your post, Stephenking, if you were born in the late 1700's, you would be arrested for treason.

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What about "One nation, under God..."? That's an important part of the pledge too


Nope, from what i learned it was so we can be just a little bit more special than the Soviet union, who at the time had a similar pledge
stephenking
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... Why not?
Because, my allegiance is not with any flag, nor country. The only allegiance I really have is to myself. (Basically, to be myself.) Hope you don't mind if I skip the rest, but it's 9:30 here and I need to sleep.
314d1
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What about "One nation, under God..."? That's an important part of the pledge too.


No it isn't. I leave it out and it sound much smoother.

As for your post, Stephenking, if you were born in the late 1700's, you would be arrested for treason.


For which craft by posting on the internet? You are incorrect, plenty of loyalists stayed in the states, the only alternative was to leave everything you know and love and head to Canada. Few loyalists where hung, so obviously you are incorrect...

"This land is good, not perfect" is a far cry from "This land should still be the queens!", which plenty of people could say without getting tried for treason...
stephenking
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late 1700's, you would be arrested for treason
how so? And, more importantly, why? As to the "Under God" thing, that was placed in 1954 to block the threat of Communism, which blocked religion to essentially make people worship the government instead of religion.
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Because, my allegiance is not with any flag, nor country. The only allegiance I really have is to myself. (Basically, to be myself.) Hope you don't mind if I skip the rest, but it's 9:30 here and I need to sleep.


So in a hypothetical scenario, if a North Korean agent came to you one day and offered you a high-ranking position in North Korea, or some other variation of health ( Ten million dollars?) for some information that you had that was vital to America, would you take the offer?
Jake297
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how so? And, more importantly, why?

The spirit for the new America was so strong then, of you said anything like that on the streets you would be mobbed.
That was all I meant.

No it isn't. I leave it out and it sound much smoother.

This country was founded with Jesus on the mind and on the paper. If you don't like it, move to Canada.

stephenking
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No, I wouldn't, nor would I give away information about any other country. Unless it was something that could cause the next World War or something of that kind, I wouldn't.

314d1
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This country was founded with Jesus on the mind and on the paper. If you don't like it, move to Canada.


Bull. Pick up the pile. What makes you think this country was found on your foul religion? Half the founding fathers where not Christian, and many of the most prominent definitely where not.

America was founded on the principles of being free, one of said principles was to be free of your foul religion.
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This country was founded with Jesus on the mind and on the paper. If you don't like it, move to Canada.


Really? I was almost sure it was founded on religious freedom.

I don't say the pledge anymore, I used to though. If my school did start making us pledge, I wouldn't. I just don't like the idea pledging myself to U.S, and if I don't want to, I shouldn't have to.
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This country was founded with Jesus on the mind and on the paper. If you don't like it, move to Canada.


lies, lies, lies, if you didn't notice the whole "Separation of church and state" thing.
Jake297
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lies, lies, lies, if you didn't notice the whole "Separation of church and state" thing.

Oh, is that why the pledge says "One Nation under GOD"?

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Oh, is that why the pledge says "One Nation under GOD"?


No, what stephenking said was. Read other people's posts.

As to the "Under God" thing, that was placed in 1954 to block the threat of Communism, which blocked religion to essentially make people worship the government instead of religion.
314d1
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Oh, is that why the pledge says "One Nation under GOD"?


In 1954, the president said "How do we stop dem commies from taking over America" and decided that the best way to do so would be to add religion to the pledge.

The pledge that was written in 1892...By a communist. (A christian one, to. Irony?)
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