Discuss. General Tavern rules apply. (No mudslinging, be respectful, etc.) I'll open with the statement that people should not have guns. No one at all, except the armed forces, and even then, keep the guns on the bases. Cops should carry riot shields and armor instead of guns. If they need crowd control, use Water Cannons. Supporting evidence: the following skit: What's your reason? Setting: A gun shop, modern day. A Customer walks into the gun shop and asks the Shopkeeper, "Hi, i'd like to buy a gun please." The Shopkeeper pulls out an application form and asks the customer "Alright, what's your reason for wanting to buy a gun?" The Customer says "I need one for personal protection." The Shopkeeper nods. "I have just the thing for you, I guarantee you cannot get any more personal protection than this baby right here. What i'm about to show you offers so much protection, it can stop a shotgun shell." The customer, very interested, stares at a full-size Riot Shield, the kind the police use. He scoffs. "That's not what I want, I want a gun!" The Shopkeeper shrugs. "Are you sure? This fine piece of equipment will protect you more than a gun ever will! It's very strong, reinforced titanium and kevlar..." by now, the angry Customer has left. Later, another Customer enters. "Hi, I need a gun." Again, the Shopkeeper clicks his pen and pulls out an application form. "For what reason?" he asks. The Customer hesitates, than says "Hunting." The shopkeeper smiles. "Of course! I love to hunt. Hunting is a wonderful sport. I guarantee that this item will give you the maximum amount of satisfaction you can ever get from hunting! Here, this is the sport at its peak." And he pulls out a Crossbow, complete with crosshairs for better accuracy. The customer shakes his head. "No, I want a gun." he states. The shopkeeper reluctantly puts away the Crossbow. "Are you sure? With a gun, it's so...boring, just pulling a trigger. And it's unfair to the animal, with this you give the deer a chance and have to chase it for up to an hour, just like the Native Americans did back in the day! Unless of course..." He fails to finish his sentence, as the pissed off customer has left in a huff. Later, a third customer walks in. "Hi, I'd like to buy a gun." he says. The shopkeeper holds his pen at the ready. "For what reason, sir?" he asks. The customer glares. "I dont need a reason, read the god **** second amendment "THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS." It's in the constitution you idiot! The shopkeeper merely smiles. "Of course, I have the perfect thing for you. This gun is covered under Second Amendment laws, guaranteed!" And he holds up a 200-year-old, civil-war-era musket, complete with rusty bayonet. The customer shrieks. "No, man! I want a Glock, a shotgun, something better than that civil war crap!" The shopkeeper merely smiles. "I'm sorry sir, please come back when they update the second amendment to include those types of guns. Here, i'll even give you a discount..." the shopkeeper holds out a discount to the enraged customer, who tears it in half and leaves. Fourthly, another Customer walks in. "I really need a gun, now." He says. The Shopkeeper holds his pen and application form ready. "For what reason, sir?" he asks. Instead of stating his reason this time, the Customer snatches the application form and looks at it. There, in the spot titled "Reasons" is a circle for "other". "Other! That's my reason!" the Customer declares triumphantly. The shopkeeper shrugs. "Very good answer sir." he says, while pressing a button under the counter. Two cops arrive at the shop in less than a minute and cuff the Customer. "Hey! What the *PROFANITY* ARE YOU *PROFANITY* GUYS DOING? I'VE DONE NOTHING WRONG!" He yells, almost breaking the glass of the windows. "Actually, you have." The Shopkeeper begins. "the "other" reason, by exclusion of the other reason, can only include wanting to kill or rob someone. Therefore, you were thinking about commiting a crime when you selected "Other" as your reason. Caught you red-handed, trying to buy the tools necessary to commiting a crime. You confessed to it when you selected "Other"! Take him downtown, please." The cops nod and take the Customer away. The last thing he hears from the Shopkeeper is "Oh, and I knew it was you all those times!"
Moral of the story: You do NOT need a gun for a particular activity. In any given activity (And I challenge you to give me a valid, legal activity for which you would need to personally own a gun), there are many other options. Why buy a gun for personal protection when a Riot Shield blocks shotgun shells? Why buy a gun for hunting when the point of hunting (and every other sport) is satisfaction, and since you get more satisfaction with more challenge, and since a crossbow offers more challenge than a gun, you'll get more satisfaction with the crossbow. Why buy a gun based on the Second Amendment when the Colonial-age guns were either giant cannons or black-powder, muzzle-loading Muskets? Did the Founding Fathers have AR-15's, and SPAZ-12 shotguns,And AK 47s, not to mention all the accessories like laser scopes and hollow-point bullets? I dont think so!
The only way you can disprove my argument is to give me a valid, LEGAL activity which requires you to personally own a gun. This excludes Skeet-shooting, because the facility can and should/will provide the gun. Until anyone can do that, YOU DONT NEED A GUN, NO ONE NEEDS GUNS! They're WAY too dangerous and make it too easy to kill someone! Why have something you dont need?
Wholly banning doesn't even fully eliminate murders done with guns anyways, it just reduces them. The reason they're reduced is because there are simply less out there. The same effect can be achieved without making guns illegal as long as there is strict gun control.
No one advocated a total ban. It's a hypothetical situation.
Then why is it that said point is now a broken record amongst you gun-haters?
I don't think we brought it up.
Then why bring it up? You have a tendency to bring up "irrelevant" items. If it's irrelevant, why talk about it?
Because Kasic brought it up.
If not a ban, then what is it that you support? A ban among civilians? A ban as to who the manufacturer sells it to?
Stronger background checks, clamping down on guns sold to mentally ill and fraud straw purchases. For Heaven's sake, it's plastered all over the previous pages.
Stronger background checks, clamping down on guns sold to mentally ill and fraud straw purchases. For Heaven's sake, it's plastered all over the previous pages.
These things being exactly what I support, as I have stated before.
it is what he supports but at the same time does he not want anything changed. he is always arguing that it should be as it is. imprinting himself whit the idea that we want them completely gone. wich is nothing more then a conclusion he toke by himself. no1 of us has said that (maybe sstg while i was gone?) ow and he doesn't like me, he is always going against me. no matter what =) he thinks i'm some racist kid that knows nothing about anything, i guess. xD
it is what he supports but at the same time does he not want anything changed.
We support roughly the same things. Stricter checks, more criterion included, sensors, and not a total ban (Although the source of such a stance surely varies, mine is out of despair, and the impossibility of actually clamping down totally on guns in the US).
My opinion is That only people who ACTUALY NEED gun will have guns. Security guard? Ok. Politicians/other jobs that might bring a threat {Like judges and lawyers}. If it was up to me, maybe even Shopkeepers who show that there shops are tend or in risk to be robbed. And then, the Pistol will be locked in a safe and stay in the shop.
No Rifles. Nothing more then a simple Pistol. Only if you have a Hunting License, And even then Carabien style guns, not Subs or assulte rifles.
And afcours, No ani-bullets Vests and other stuff like that.
This is my opinion. I dont think the peopels need to act as a militia. They dont have the authority to decide who is a threat and who is not, who can be shoot to kill and who can be Captured without shooting. This is the job of he police. This is why there is a police.
ow and he doesn't like me, he is always going against me. no matter what =) he thinks i'm some racist kid that knows nothing about anything, i guess. xD
What, I never said I hated you partydevil. xD They're (Elmer Fudd gun lovers) allowed to have guns because they're afraid, paranoid and not very smart, that's my opinion about them and since It's a free country I have the right to call them stupid.
