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Lanod
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People can't seem to understand that one group does not define a religion. I know several Muslims and studied Islam and it is a noble religion if you ask me.

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gaboloth
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I'm confused.. are you talking of christians or muslims now?

Muslims, I was following the distinction between "good majority" and "bad minority" that people were making. But yeah I could take some time to rephrase all that:
1) There is a minority of Muslims that has no respect for human rights and is dangerous to other people and the world
2) In that minority there aren't just the fanatic suicide bombers, but also all the moderate Muslims that are favorable to forcing the veil and such: they might not do anything personally but they still are a threat to freedom and human rights
3) Lastly, all the respectful Muslims that do nothing of the above are still responsible of considering as sacred and true all the hateful and disrespectful principles of the Quran that they don't apply, and that contributes to the formation of extremist groups.

It applies to Christians as well, but the people from the the first and second group are probably a lot less common in Christianity than in Islam.

This is (imo) more likely to be a social/cultural phenomenon than an exclusively religious one. Muslims living around here are just as good people as others.

I guess that's right, in Europe we got rid almost completely of those kind of religious restrictions without really touching the religion that dictates them. Directly removing Islam, or at least its harmful parts, would be faster and better for everyone, but I guess that's impossible.
HahiHa
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It applies to Christians as well, but the people from the the first and second group are probably a lot less common in Christianity than in Islam.

Actually I would disagree with that. I see why you get this impression, but I'm sure it's at least to a certain part biased by the constant one-sided media coverage.
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Peasant

Don't be a sarcastic *** in hope of avoiding the question.


Youâre asking me sincerely to respond to his griping?

Is there a rationale behind your bigotry? You didn't write anything, just posted some ignorant pictures. Care to explain yourself, or have I simply decided to waste my time and effort, trying to make sense where there is an obvious lack?


If your only response to my answer is to accuse me of "bigotry" and state that my pictures somehow lack knowledge of something, it would greatly disappoint me, since it would indicate that you have no rational response to any of the points I raised.

The title of the thread was âWhy do so many hate Muslims?â I feel a great deal of pity for you if you cannot understand how going out of your way to offend and threaten someone would make them feel hatred for you.

Mosab Hassan Yousef isn't a Muslim anymore. Given that he worked for the IDF, and even reported his father, I'm not inclined to believe in such a biased source.


The title of the thread was âWhy do so many hate Muslims?âIn this case, being raised in an environment where likely everyone he knew personally was both a Muslim and a terrorist would bias someone into hating Muslims and conflating Islam with terrorism. Many other ex-Muslims have had similar horrific experiences growing up that would bias them against Islam. The death threats sent to ex-Muslims such as Salman Rushdie or Ayaan Hirsi Ali for the âcrimeâ of leaving Islam would quite likely turn a dislike for Islam into an outright hatred.
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I feel that there is an important distinction here that is being missed. Islam is a religion, a series of dogmas, a series of cultures, a series of political ideologies, and a group of people. It is all too easy to mistake one for another if you are not being careful.

Quite likely a lot of the hatred that Muslims as a people receive is actually hatred of political Islam, which is responsible for a nearly Catholic level of atrocity. The atrocities perpetuated by Muslim governments and NGOâs include
-Sexual Slavery [1][2][3]
-Use of minors and children as suicide bombers [4][5][6][7][8][9]
- Believes in mutilating the genitals of young children, a trait which it shares in common with Judaism and Christianity [10]
- Holds as its holiest prophet a pedophile who had sex with a 9-year old (Hadith: Sahih Bukhari, Section: Merits of Al-Ansaar, paragraph 234), and allows pedophilia because of that [11][12][13][14]
-Violently reacts to any criticism [16][17][18][19][20]

[1] http://bit.ly/XunQF1
[2] http://bit.ly/mybFXg
[3] http://bit.ly/j9jWhA
[4] http://bit.ly/ZXuVtl
[5] http://bit.ly/13Ezflk
[6] http://bit.ly/11v8VIy
[7] http://bit.ly/13EzjBm
[8] http://bbc.in/ZQk4pa
[9] http://bit.ly/15SB3LB
[10] http://bbc.in/cBfi3r
[11] http://bit.ly/6QvFi1
[12] http://bit.ly/GkMf8
[13] http://bit.ly/18bp4W3
[14] http://bit.ly/12SQ8tJ
[15] http://bit.ly/15SDUEq
[16] http://bit.ly/14DrlN7
[17] http://bit.ly/129hgkc
[18] http://bit.ly/168EXjw
[19] http://bit.ly/ZuaIjf
[20] http://bit.ly/1sbXV5
wontgetmycatnip
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edit- For all but the last link I posted, you will have to either copy and paste the link manually, or else delete the that got added to them, or the link will not work. I have no clue how this happened. Probably a formatting problem.

wolf1991
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Normally, when people post pictures they have something to say in order to explain those pictures. When someone, as you did, merely posts pictures without comment, that leads to people jumping to conclusions, as I did.

The title of the thread was âWhy do so many hate Muslims?â I feel a great deal of pity for you if you cannot understand how going out of your way to offend and threaten someone would make them feel hatred for you.


I'm going to request you stop condesending me, as Nicho pointed out, I'm not a child.

Yes, that's the topic here, however you did not really raise points, you posted unexplain pictures with no elaboration on your views.

The majority of people hate muslims out of ignorance. Who here can say they understand Islam? People fear what they do not know, and the media doesn't make that any better.
wontgetmycatnip
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My apologies, wolf1991. By your tone in your post (accusing my pictures of being ignorant(?) and hurling an accusation of bigotry, despite not knowing at the time what I was trying to say), I thought you were a jack***, and responded in kind.

Yes, that's the topic here, however you did not really raise points, you posted unexplain pictures with no elaboration on your views.


That was a mistake on my part.

The majority of people hate muslims out of ignorance.


How would you know why the majority of people who hate Islam hate Islam? How could you even possibly measure that?
partydevil
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How would you know why the majority of people who hate Islam hate Islam? How could you even possibly measure that?

i guess he mend that people hate them because of ignorance of the actual believe. biased by the misinformation of the media.
pangtongshu
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accusing my pictures of being ignorant(?)


I don't think he was necessarily accusing your pictures, in themselves, to be ignorant..but the idea of the pictures in regards to this topic to be ignorant (for, as he pointed out, what your reason behind doing so was unclear).

How would you know why the majority of people who hate Islam hate Islam? How could you even possibly measure that?


Possibly because, seemingly, a large number of people hate the Islamic people because the generalize them as the extremists we know so well, thanks to the media
wontgetmycatnip
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I don't think he was necessarily accusing your pictures, in themselves, to be ignorant..but the idea of the pictures in regards to this topic to be ignorant (for, as he pointed out, what your reason behind doing so was unclear).


That wasn't obvious by the tone and syntax of his first post.

i guess he mend that people hate them because of ignorance of the actual believe. biased by the misinformation of the media.

Possibly because, seemingly, a large number of people hate the Islamic people because the generalize them as the extremists we know so well, thanks to the media


Or perhaps they've had all too much experience dealing with the "religion of peace" personally.

Perhaps they have been assaulted while walking along the street in a "Muslim Area" of London.

Perhaps they've had a sister or daughter gang-raped by a group of immigrants, as has happened in Sweden, France, and other countries that have taken in large numbers of Muslim immigrants.

Perhaps they were a former terrorist, who could not stomach being part of an organization that employed child suicide bombers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOIMnSdlols

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sv&tl=en&js=n&amprev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.friatider.se%2F11-aring-gruppvaldtogs-pa-badhus

http://www.archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=6251

http://conservativepapers.com/news/2013/04/27/muslim-gang-rape-in-france/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibDJTq1bleM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVI6WuthcUE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9LrvkXRQXQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08gud4_bS-o

http://www.bosnewslife.com/27330-breaking-news-pakistan-blasphemy-girl-facing-prison-mother-death-sentence

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Irish-Muslim-convert-says-Americans-should-be-grateful-more-people-didnt-die-in-Boston-205125511.html?c=n

http://www.bosnewslife.com/28041-morocco-fatwa-demands-death-sentence-for-christian-converts

Perhaps when Muslims en masse decide to fight the radicals instead of either supporting them or staying silent, Islam will be be hated by a lot fewer people.
HahiHa
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Perhaps they have been assaulted while walking along the street in a "Muslim Area" of London.

You get assaulted in other parts too, and in other cities. What does that prove? It doesn't have anything to do with the religion.

Perhaps they've had a sister or daughter gang-raped by a group of immigrants, as has happened in Sweden, France, and other countries that have taken in large numbers of Muslim immigrants.

Again nothing to do with religion. Taking in imigrants is not enough, you need to have the capacity to handle them; if you let them in and don't give them work, criminality happens. Independent of religion.

Perhaps they were a former terrorist, who could not stomach being part of an organization that employed child suicide bombers.

Radicals? Fanatists? A plague that almost every religion or even ideal knows.

Perhaps when Muslims en masse decide to fight the radicals instead of either supporting them or staying silent, Islam will be be hated by a lot fewer people.

Do christians en masse do something against people like WBC, Ku-Klux etc.? Or do they stay silent?

An example both for media bias and the rising inacceptance of radicalism among muslim communities:
Read this.
I read about this somewhere else, and funny enough they mentioned that initially, a Canadian Imam came to the police with worries about what was going to happen. However, I don't see any of this in that article, or in others I found. No one cares that someone of the Muslim community gave the hint to the police, they just are interested in the evil islamist aspect.
EmperorPalpatine
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It doesn't have anything to do with the religion.

Well, religion can be a justifying or motivating factor that makes it seem more acceptable to them, depending on the message. Mentally, there's a difference between &quotunks out for thrills" and "violent defenders of the faith", though the outcomes may be similar.
wontgetmycatnip
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You get assaulted in other parts too, and in other cities. What does that prove? It doesn't have anything to do with the religion.


Right, and someone who's attacked is more likely than someone who hasn't been to hate not just their attacker but others who look/seem like the attacker. Given that the Muslims in Europe are often religious, unusual looking (to a European), and often have a completely different culture, this means that the European community might treat Muslims as a single group, not being able to fully understand them(and vice versa, as well). Given that there is a perception of a "rape epidemic" in Sweden that was perceived to start at roughly the same time as Muslim immigrants arrived in large numbers, it's no wonder that some Swedes are virulently anti-Islam. And quite frankly, someone whose wife or daughter was just brutally gangraped by a group of Muslims and then told that she deserved it, she was a ****, she should have been wearing a veil, etc... isn't going to believe that "not all Muslims are like that" unless the Muslim community ensures that the perpetrators are caught and severely punished.

Again nothing to do with religion. Taking in imigrants is not enough, you need to have the capacity to handle them; if you let them in and don't give them work, criminality happens. Independent of religion.


Partially true- I agree with everything in your statement except "independent of religion". Yes, nearly every religious text is vague enough that you can see into it what ever you wish, and there are sects of every religion that will hold just about any political position you can imagine. But, the current sects of Islam that hold significant political power can shape how Islam is viewed by many of its adherents, and use this power to lead them to commit the atrocities I mentioned previously. Same goes for every other politically powerful religion (like Catholicism) really.

Do christians en masse do something against people like WBC, Ku-Klux etc.? Or do they stay silent?


From a public perspective, most Christians do not endorse the activities of the KKK and WBC, and would not treat a member of either of these organizations respectfully. When Muslims en masse do the same too, they will be seen as moderate. But, the leadership of many powerful Muslim sects, such as the Salafists, call for the forcible conversion of Jews, atheists, and Christians, call for Sharia law to be implemented in secular countries, and approve of such atrocities as pedophilia, child suicide bombing, and genocide.

An example both for media bias and the rising inacceptance of radicalism among muslim communities


Like how hundreds of thousands in Bangladesh called for atheist bloggers to be killed recently?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia/2013/04/20134661058364976.html

I read about this somewhere else, and funny enough they mentioned that initially, a Canadian Imam came to the police with worries about what was going to happen. However, I don't see any of this in that article, or in others I found. No one cares that someone of the Muslim community gave the hint to the police, they just are interested in the evil islamist aspect.


Well, your report of an Imam may be unsubstantiated. Furthermore, you might not want to ascribe motives to people you don't know. I could just as baselessly accuse the authors of the article of not not stressing enough an Islamist conspiracy that the bombers were part of.
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-Sexual Slavery [1][2][3]

First two are Idiots, what's wrong with the third?
I mean what yu see as bad in the third?

-Use of minors and children as suicide bombers [4][5][6][7][8][9]

For all we kn ow first is a planned photo, second is definitely a protest, So is third as for the fourth, im not sure if it is so, it is condemnable, wrong, nothings wrong with last two, 16 is enough.

- Believes in mutilating the genitals of young children, a trait which it shares in common with Judaism and Christianity [10]

yeah so?
Holds as its holiest prophet a pedophile who had sex with a 9-year old (Hadith: Sahih Bukhari, Section: Merits of Al-Ansaar, paragraph 234), and allows pedophilia because of that [11][12][13][14]

Age of Aisha(ra) at marriage
Did#nt watch first one, a gross anti smoking ad turned up
As for the, it is wrong, but it is more because of culture than religion, If remember correctly, teenage is a pretty new phenomenon.
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[15] http://bit.ly/15SDUEq
[16] http://bit.ly/14DrlN7
[17] http://bit.ly/129hgkc
[18] http://bit.ly/168EXjw
[19] http://bit.ly/ZuaIjf
[20] http://bit.ly/1sbXV5

What will offend you?
Telling you that you should not have too many sexual partners as you might catch an std.
OR
Calling you a *****?
Learn the difference between criticism and insult.
thepunisher93
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http://gma.yahoo.com/blogs/abc-blogs/bridging-divide-wilcox-county-high-school-students-hold-200912244.html

look at the storyabove, first ever integrated prom in a highschool.
#based on this, should I consider all americans racist pricks?
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