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It really doesn't matter a whole lot unless you are scientific or religious. I guess you are under the "other," category, LOL. But I respect what you believe in, or don't believe in.

Thanks, that really does mean alot to me. Everyone I know says "you can't do that, you have to pick one." And I'm like "NO, to me its all BS."

I'd have to look it up because I am new to the beliefs (or non-beliefs) of Agnostics.

One could almost call it a form of Post-Modern philosophy, it happened a long time ago, it doesn't affect me, why should I care? But a "carpe diem" philosophy makes good practical sense, I respect your beliefs IPwnU2Day.

how do u lock a thread, i have seen it, but dont know how

what is agnosticism

@kiddslayer12-
Only mods can lock threads.
Agnosticism is uncertainty about religion, there may or may not be a god, agnostics don't think there is enough proof either way.

What do you get when you cross an agnostic, a dyslexic, and an insomniac?

Someone who lies awake at night wondering if there is a Dog.

thanks u, found that out this morning when i say a moderator say i am locking this. so yeah, thanks tho.

Dear âopen-minded atheistâ,

You ask me how I could possibly believe in a Creator given that certain high-profile scientists1 say that no Creator was necessary? Well, letâs take a simple example. Do you see (in the photo at the bottom) the bird boxâ"where did it come from?

Of course you would say that somebody must have made it, but how do you know that? After all, you didnât see anyone making it, so how do you know the birdbox had a maker?

(Iâm being quite seriousâ"like you, I also realize the birdbox must have been made by someoneâ"but I would like you to ponder how it was that you came to that conclusion.)

Hereâs how I would answer. Even though I didnât see anybody making it, I can see that it has a degree of organization and complexity which, though limited, is never seen to come about by natural processes. Someone must have made it, and attached it to the treeâ"probably for the purpose of attracting birds so that the maker/owner of the birdbox could enjoy their singing and admire them at close range.

And now, three questions:

1. Can that birdbox capture the sunâs energy and convert it into useful fuel? Answer: No.
2. Can that birdbox repair itself if part of it is broken off, e.g. by strong winds in a storm? Answer: No.
3. Can that birdbox generate copies of itself, which in turn can produce further copies, which in turn can reproduce themselves, and so on? Answer: No!

âFor his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been madeâ (Romans 1:20a)

And yet, the tree, to which the birdbox is attached, can do all of those thingsâ"yet you say that the tree had no Creator, that itâs simply the product of time and chance? Whereâs the logic in that? When you consider just the ordered complexity of photosynthesis (capturing of the sunâs energy),2 man hasnât even yet fully described all thatâs going on in photosynthesis, let alone been able to duplicate it!3â"5 If the birdbox had a designer (and it obviously did, as we both acknowledge) then so too did the treeâ"and whoever designed the tree is obviously one super-Intelligent Designer!

Just as it is written in the Bible:

âFor his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been madeâ Romans 1:20a (English Standard Version).

Regards,

A Christian friend

Since that didn't work I will try Once more or else I will have to write it out.

You ask me how I could possibly believe in a Creator given that certain high-profile scientists1 say that no Creator was necessary? Well, letâs take a simple example. Do you see (in the photo at right) the birdboxâ"where did it come from?

Of course you would say that somebody must have made it, but how do you know that? After all, you didnât see anyone making it, so how do you know the birdbox had a maker?

(Iâm being quite seriousâ"like you, I also realize the birdbox must have been made by someoneâ"but I would like you to ponder how it was that you came to that conclusion.)

Hereâs how I would answer. Even though I didnât see anybody making it, I can see that it has a degree of organization and complexity which, though limited, is never seen to come about by natural processes. Someone must have made it, and attached it to the treeâ"probably for the purpose of attracting birds so that the maker/owner of the birdbox could enjoy their singing and admire them at close range.

And now, three questions:

1. Can that birdbox capture the sunâs energy and convert it into useful fuel? Answer: No.
2. Can that birdbox repair itself if part of it is broken off, e.g. by strong winds in a storm? Answer: No.
3. Can that birdbox generate copies of itself, which in turn can produce further copies, which in turn can reproduce themselves, and so on? Answer: No!

And yet, the tree, to which the birdbox is attached, can do all of those thingsâ"yet you say that the tree had no Creator, that itâs simply the product of time and chance? Whereâs the logic in that? When you consider just the ordered complexity of photosynthesis (capturing of the sunâs energy),2 man hasnât even yet fully described all thatâs going on in photosynthesis, let alone been able to duplicate it!3â"5 If the birdbox had a designer (and it obviously did, as we both acknowledge) then so too did the treeâ"and whoever designed the tree is obviously one super-Intelligent Designer!

Just as it is written in the Bible:

âFor his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been madeâ Romans 1:20a (English Standard Version).

Regards,

A Christian friend

Never mind I will just re-direct to the site where you can read it first hand.

Click here to find out that there is really a Creator

Linking a metaphor to a passage in the bible neither proves God's existence nor disproves the theories of science.

Atheism's answer to this so called designer is the theory of evolution.

No Woody you must read the whole thing and THINK IT OVER

Did you read what he said about what the bird box can do? Nothing really, it can't heal itself, Unlike the Tree which is like us. Some one must have been really intelligent to create that.

Oh and by the way.

What made the apes - you say it was made up of what ever it was. But then where did that come out of? Then you say something else. Where did that come out of? Then you are left speechless.

He chooses to not. And if he doesn't believe you he doesn't have to. Neither do I. Its fun to believe in an all mighty being that watches over you but does nothing but so was a fat man falling down your non existent Chimney, eating your food and dropping boxes full of stuff made by pointy eared midgets too.

What made the apes - you say it was made up of what ever it was. But then where did that come out of? Then you say something else. Where did that come out of? Then you are left speechless.

Then you are left speechless.