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thunderrider

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Peasant

Posted April 26, '14 1:28am UTC

Hi, I am level 3142, and I am going to be the first to get a grade 100 gem.

How did I get specs obscenely high? Well, thanks to this dude over here...

One important thing to note is how to create dual gems. Adding two grade one's them spamming U is losing about 33% special power.

Optimal creation is a G1 of both, combine, make a G2 of each, add one pure to each dual, combine the G3s, duplicate, and repeat with pure G4s, duplicate the 6, etc.

here is the difference at g34:
Regular creation:
http://prntscr.com/3dgs2c

Special Mix:
http://prntscr.com/3dgs6k

Note that the hit count is the same, and the cost to duplicate is the same. This is a difference of 32.9%, and this difference keeps rising at higher levels. It's only a 16% difference at grade 6. It takes a decent amount of time, but it is worth it at ultimate grades (45+).

I now have huge specs. It takes me about 20-30 seconds real life time to get +1 grade. So a minute before +2(needed if want extra specs). I estimate my specs to be about 80% higher than normal, at least blood is.

PS- Level 46 amps got the spec treatment too, they are wicked.

Hi, I am level 3142, and I am going to be the first to get a grade 100 gem.\r\n\r\n[img]http://i.imgur.com/LPI5mar.jpg[/img]\r\n\r\nHow did I get specs obscenely high? Well, thanks to this dude over here...\r\n\r\n[quote]One important thing to note is how to create dual gems. Adding two grade one's them spamming U is losing about 33% special power.\r\n\r\nOptimal creation is a G1 of both, combine, make a G2 of each, add one pure to each dual, combine the G3s, duplicate, and repeat with pure G4s, duplicate the 6, etc.\r\n\r\nhere is the difference at g34:\r\nRegular creation:\r\nhttp://prntscr.com/3dgs2c\r\n\r\nSpecial Mix:\r\nhttp://prntscr.com/3dgs6k\r\n\r\nNote that the hit count is the same, and the cost to duplicate is the same. This is a difference of 32.9%, and this difference keeps rising at higher levels. It's only a 16% difference at grade 6. It takes a decent amount of time, but it is worth it at ultimate grades (45+).[/quote]\r\n\r\nI now have huge specs. It takes me about 20-30 seconds real life time to get +1 grade. So a minute before +2(needed if want extra specs). I estimate my specs to be about 80% higher than normal, at least blood is.\r\n\r\nPS- Level 46 amps got the spec treatment too, they are wicked.

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bilboCGL

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Peasant

Posted June 15, '14 4:06pm UTC Edited June 15, '14 4:08pm UTC by bilboCGL

@oLaudix: I think, your chart is not exact: I have a mixed Gem, started with 32-spec, 16c till G30 or 40, then 64c, and it has 1.3e10 hits and I have 5e30 Mana + the mana spent in Gems, another ~5e30mana...
The Amps are strict 16c.
I don't update the managem anymore, cause the monsters, 1e35 hp - started to take damage...

Edit: Here is the pic: http://www.bilderhoster.net/ftwtmvy4.jpg.html

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oLaudix

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Nomad

Posted June 15, '14 4:20pm UTC Edited June 15, '14 4:30pm UTC by oLaudix

I dont count for orblets. Even then the ratio for the gems still stands. It is accurate for that. More to that it onlu counts mana leeched. But other variables like mana gained from mobs and earlier waves are equal for all of the situations so it can be omitted. While the specific nr of hits needed is wrong, the ratio of those hits for each situation is same. I wanted to know which GEM gathers mana quicker.
Also mana spent on gems is highly inaccurate. Right now i have gem for 110k in trap +6x3,4k amplifiers and it says is pent 19,539 so you can use it.

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xroads42

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Farmer

Posted June 15, '14 6:39pm UTC

@oLaudix can you make a close up of below 1:e10 hits?
i would like to know if its an good idea to start with 32-1024 and then continue with 64 or 16 methods. can you check that?

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bilboCGL

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Peasant

Posted June 15, '14 7:06pm UTC

No offense intended!
I just wanted to figure out, that it's not exactly what You/I get...

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oLaudix

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Nomad

Posted June 15, '14 10:05pm UTC

Not offended. I just didnt bother with including stuff that is same for all the methods. xroads42 ill do it and post later.

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bilboCGL

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Peasant

Posted June 15, '14 11:00pm UTC

Fine - I think, that could be tranferred to the killgem, too. As I am actually in my 'defreezing' phase, it would be clever to redo my killgem with 32s&64c and amplify it with grade+1 gems... Hmmm - That means, no G100 by now but one G98 with 6 G99... I decide in one or two days, when my cosy monsters are unfrozen

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oLaudix

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Nomad

Posted June 15, '14 11:06pm UTC Edited June 15, '14 11:07pm UTC by oLaudix

0 - 1E+10 hits:

0 - 1E+8 hits:

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bilboCGL

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Peasant

Posted June 16, '14 12:02am UTC

You've made interesting graphs - thx!

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xroads42

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Farmer

Posted June 17, '14 9:29am UTC

thx oLaudix

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bilboCGL

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Peasant

Posted June 18, '14 9:28pm UTC Edited June 18, '14 9:30pm UTC by bilboCGL

Finally, my first "G100"

Edit: Link didn't work: http://www.picfront.org/d/98M2

Thanks for the maths, guys!

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daniil_sizov_98

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Farmer

Posted June 23, '14 5:55pm UTC

@bilboCGL, your links didn't work because you should use links to image, not to page. You can rightclick on the image and then on "copy image url" or something like that (depends on your browser)

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oLaudix

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Nomad

Posted June 23, '14 7:00pm UTC Edited June 23, '14 7:00pm UTC by oLaudix

bilbo can you get me through your update process? i mean i never end up with gem lvl 84. For me its 5,10,15 and so on.

Right before this one i had lvl 80 ._. I use 64x upgrade all the way btw. You do it differently?

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bilboCGL

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Peasant

Posted June 23, '14 7:40pm UTC Edited June 23, '14 7:41pm UTC by bilboCGL

I started with 32s and 64c, at G80 I did 16c resulting in G83 and finaly I pressed just 'u'... I thought about leaving it G99 and enrage with higher grades but I wanted a G100
I just didn't had the patience to freeze some more days - no macro used....
It seems, that my fusion skills are a little higher than yours, when I look at the manacost of your gem. (45+14 IIRC).
btw: Right now I'm coming to the end of a no-mp run, WL 60 and just reached X1 - Interesting, too and it takes less time for me to finish the game than building one G100...

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oLaudix

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Nomad

Posted June 23, '14 7:58pm UTC Edited June 23, '14 8:01pm UTC by oLaudix

All my skills are 45+15. Cost of my gem is right.
5 1,680
10 110,544
15 7,077,840
20 452,984,784
25 28,991,029,200
30 1,855,425,871,824
35 118,747,255,799,760
40 7,599,824,371,187,660
45 486,388,759,756,014,000
50 31,128,880,624,384,900,000
55 1.99E+21
60 1.28E+23
65 8.16E+24
70 5.22E+26
75 3.34E+28
80 2.14E+30
85 1.37E+32

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bilboCGL

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Peasant

Posted June 23, '14 9:24pm UTC

Don't know what I thought... So your gem should be G102, right?
And, X1 at WL60 is no quick walk in the park...

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