ForumsGamesGC CS: Better method(possibly) than Psorek's semi optimal 16-combine formula

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thunderrider
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Peasant

I came across this on accident, if you believe.

It stemmed from me misunderstanding his formula.

But I was thinking and writing out formulas(or something) during school and came up with an idea for an even better gem.

And I was right.

This is Psorek's formula, in a Grade 8 dual OB gem.

http://i.imgur.com/9VPGI8C.png

His method is -

A=(g+g)+((g+g)+g)
B=((((((g+g)+g)+g)+g)+g)+g)
C=(g+g)
D=(((B+C)+C)+A)

Where G = dual OB gem(he makes 16 of them, and then does the above with them)

My gem, on the other hand, looks like this-

http://i.imgur.com/GdsYA2n.png

Here's my formula-

Here, gB means a bloodbound grade 1 gem. gO means a mana leech grade 1 gem.

A=(gO+gB)+((gO+gB)+gO)
B=((((((gO+gB)+gO)+gO)+gO)+gO)+gO)
C=(gO+gB)
D=(((B+C)+C)+A)

E=(gO+gB)+((gO+gB)+gB)
F=((((((gO+gB)+gB)+gB)+gB)+gB)+gB)
G=(gO+gB)
H=(((F+G)+G)+E)

I = (D + H)

Finished grade 5 gem.

To repeat, just subsitute the grade 1 pure gems for Grade X - 1(where X = grade of the mana gem) supergemmed gems that are supergemmed by psoreks old formula(my formula requires dual gems to work).

If you just use psorek's formula to upgrade after G5, you lose about 4% extra specials. Which continues to grow, I believe.

So there it is. Comments, critiques? I think this works because the Specced Method works- see how I make the grade 4s dominant in one color? And then combine them.

Anyway, hope you enjoy this stuff c:

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movingtochico
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Sorry Psorek, I did see your post in the other thread describing the technique and thought it was only what you refer to as "Method 2". You are right, the Psorek Method is better for a dual gem without amplification (updated calculations and comparisons using correct Psorek Method):

Method Bloodbound - ManaLeech (G44)
1) P-Method 1&2: 86.881 - 1.04e11
2) TR-Method only: 96.425 - 9.7e10
3) TR-P2 Hybrid A*: 95.762 - 9.6e10
4) TR-P2 Hybrid B*: 93.019 - 9.2e10
5) Basic upgrading: 14.964 - 5.8e07

However, the story changes when amplification comes in:

Situation: 6x G43 Orange Amplifiers (using P2 method for G43 Orange) [all skills @ 60] no hits on gem.

Method Bloodbound - ManaLeech (G44)
1) TR-Method only: 96.425 - 1.377e12
2) TR-P2 Hybrid A*: 95.762 - 1.366e12
3) TR-P2 Hybrid B*: 93.019 - 1.323e12
2) P-Method 1&2: 86.881 - 1.320e12
5) Basic upgrading: 50.005 - 5.581e11

So with amplification, TR ends up being better because of higher bloodbound component. ....And the difference between TR and P increases slightly as bloodbound hit level increases:

hit level 6:
Method Bloodbound - ManaLeech (G44)
1) TR-Method only: 579.55 - 8.191e12
2) P-Method 1&2: 522.29 - 7.843e12

psorek
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Jester

Good point, I will optimalise my method 1 for amplifiers.

Astroshak
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Peasant

Optimize it for 6 and for 8 amps, please.

6 amp traps, and 8 amp towers. Admittedly, the towers are primarily for kill gems and not mana farming (which is pretty much best done in traps), but while mana farming is the more important of the two the kill gem is not unimportant, and does deserve its own attention.

thunderrider
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Peasant

Oh wow. I didn't realize this method later beat psoreks after getting hits equally. Woot .

psorek
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Jester

It's becouse of an accident, you know that, right? New version already posted.

thunderrider
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Peasant

Yah I know still fun to discover stuff that makes you correct your stuff c:

psorek
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Jester

Yea, I like improving my own work :P

jdguy99
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Farmer

hey guys

where is the post on psorek's best method?
Thanks

psorek
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Jester

Best read the whole subject

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