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skater_kid_who_pwns
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What do you guys think about the draft (in the army of course) And do you think they should bring it back? If they did our army would be even more powerfull. But it would ruin familys and such. I am aganst it, how about you?

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Estel
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I don't think it would make the army more powerful. Maybe more people, but that doesn't always mean powerful. Families would be torn apart, but think about this. They will take very young men who have lives ahead of them, but if they leave to go fight in the war, then they're lives would be considerably harder upon their return. You'd have to finish school, try to get your job back. (if you have one) I don't think we're in need of more soldiers are we? So no real need for the draft.

d0m1nated14
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I do not like the draft either because it tears families apart. I also can't stand it because I have a religious stand against fighting in wars. If I was drafted, I would have to go to jail because I would refuse. With it gone, I don't have to worry about it anymore.

DragonMistress
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The draft takes people who are against the war and makes them fight for it. Why do you want a bunch of people fighting for something they don't believe in. Yes, it would mean more people, but a bunch of soldiers that aren't fighting with passion will probably fall quicker. It scares me, but luckily my fiance is too old and too broken to go be drafted, haha.

Drace
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Why do we need a draft? There used for massive wars, heh...

Against it of course. Its a rich man's man the poor have to fight. Why would you want a more powerful military?...

Zootsuit_riot
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Why do we need a draft? There used for massive wars, heh...


Military enlistment is at an all-time low. They're sending more and more National Guard/Reserves members overseas.

I honestly would hate the draft to be reinstated. My dad almost got drafted for Vietnam (They announced his number over the radio, but it was incorrect), while he was working on his Master's, and going on to get a PhD. The draft doesn't allow you to finish your education before getting shipped out.
thelistman
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Maybe the recruitment numbers wouldn't be so low if we weren't fighting a totally unjust war. Thank Mr. Bush and the rest of congress for that.

purpledinosaur
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we do not really need a draft because we have enough people who does not want to be in the military it is great I cannot think of a better job than that

woody_7007
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I dont see the point of a draft. Aside for the obvious moral issues of forcing people to fight then i dont think America really needs it. It would only make sense in a larger war than the middle east conflict. If the US army needs to recruit more men then that is their business to sort out through incentives and advertising campaigns and whatnot. Also a draft would raise the cost of the war hugely the cost to train, feed and equip thousands of soldiers would be huge.

Drace
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If the US army needs to recruit more men then that is their business to sort out through incentives and advertising campaigns and whatnot.


Then that becomes fake propaganda and liess. Brainwash >_>
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Looking back at previous drafts (Vietnam and WWII especially) there is a real problem with having non-career soldiers go into basic training and then straight into combat. The mortality rate for these green troops was huge compared to their career/veteran counterparts, but as DM and others pointed out - they simply don't want to be in a warzone!

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I dont see the point of a draft. Aside for the obvious moral issues of forcing people to fight then i dont think America really needs it. It would only make sense in a larger war than the middle east conflict.


The only reason that we don't have a draft right now is because the people in charge knew that if they instated a draft they would lose any and all public support for the war. It's pretty obvious when half the troops we're sending overseas are national guardsmen and women that we do in fact desperately need soldiers. Otherwise, why are we sending people who already have families and people who depend on them, and putting not only them, but also those who depend on them through tremendous mental, emotional, and financial hardships.
woody_7007
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Well at least people in National Gaurds are in some way more mentally prepared for war as when they signed up they knew there was a possibility of them going to war. In a draft if it was your unlucky day you would have no prior warning. I dont believe that it is neccessarily right to send them overseas but they have to be a little naiive to not prepare for the worst especially if it is happening to others. Your point about people having families is interesting but you forget that many many career soldiers have families. My brother for example. He is serving right now and he has a wife and a kid. I myself will be in Afghanistan in January and i have a kid aswell. As for financial hardships that isnt true as many people who join the national gaurd do so to receive government money to pay for university and if they serve then their pension and pay increases massively.

SuperzMcShort
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The things with the national guard is that they were never intended to serve in a war zone. You'll notice that they are part of the national guard who up until this point were never deployed overseas to the extent that we've been using them in these conflicts. The things about career soldiers having families is true, but unlike civilian soldiers (which the guard are) they are constantly training and preparing themselves for war whereas the guard functions more as a militia and isn't even remotely as prepared for major conflict (you can see this in the number of soldiers returning with psychological disorders). As far as financial difficulties, they do occur, as you're pay as a guardsman isn't equal to your pay in your civilian job. In times of peace this can be extra income, a little boon, but in times of war when they go for long deployments then it can be a pay cut that can cause major problems for families on the edge.

woody_7007
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number of soldiers returning with psychological disorders).


Many carer soldiers come hom with psychological disorders aswell regardless of mental preparation or not.

However just because of the financial reasons you mentioned it doesn mean that ta draft is the solution to this problem. I havealways been against conscription. Is it any better than taking a gaurdsman to war? I think that the real solution is to get out of Iraq but thats another debate entirely.
SuperzMcShort
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Many carer soldiers come hom with psychological disorders aswell regardless of mental preparation or not.


The fact is that national guard troops come back with those disorders more often (it's something like 50% among guard troops against like 30-35% among career soldiers). That's a significant increase, especially when half our troops overseas are coming from the national guard.

However just because of the financial reasons you mentioned it doesn mean that ta draft is the solution to this problem. I havealways been against conscription. Is it any better than taking a gaurdsman to war? I think that the real solution is to get out of Iraq but thats another debate entirely.


I agree, and I never meant to come across as pro-draft. I was just presenting my thoughts that the only reason that we don't have a draft is political, not practical because while those soldiers that we conscript aren't *too* much worse then the national guardsmen.
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