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Right, so I pulled out of the previous GFX round due to not being able to finish on time. Since then I've been working on the image on-and-off and now it's finished only about a week late.

The picture shown below is half the size, the fullsize one can be found by clicking on the picture.

http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a268/dongstyle_ltd/Not%20photos/technologyfinal.jpg

The full resolution pic (1280xs1024) is low quality...the high quality version is 1.1Mb and doesn't fit on photobucket xD Lame. Except I feel justified with the size...this was hand-drawn from start to finish.

I should have tidied up the sketchlines more, but wasn't actually intending to spend this much effort on it. Meh.

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Is this the same graphic novel we spoke about a long while back, or something else you've been working on since then? Either way, I like it. Curious as to the naming of the character though. If I'm not mistaken (and with the hours I spent watching The Wire seasons 1-5, I should hope not!) Jane Doe is a term used for an unidentified homicide victim. Got a nice ring to it, but what's the link to the character?

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... how long is your novel?


It is long. But not as long as the time I'm spending on it. I'm revising it for the third time, and discarded everything I wrote for NaNo '09. Only this time I finally convinced myself I know exactly what I'm doing with it (we'll see how long this lasts.)

The readability is terrible.


This is what my prose looks like before my inner-editor gets to it. Readability is inversely proportional to level of fatigue.

And predatorial isn't a word, only the effect of high-level long words.


Nice spot- word told me that. I ignored it because I- oh crap, I just remembered. Predatory was the word I was looking for. Yay for neologisms!

Is this the same graphic novel we spoke about a long while back


I assume you're referring to Strugglers. Since I wrote the skeleton plot and loosely scripted the first part, I haven't worked on it. This is from a novel (prose) I started in 2007, except I've been reworking it multiple times. I've finally got a grasp of just about everything I want to cover in it, so I just have to rewrite the plot framework one more time and I should be good to go again!

The naming of 'Jenny' comes from a terrible pun. Doe may be a deer (a female deer) but doe is also a female rabbit! In this novel, I'm using 'hybrids' (any genetically engineered being with defining traits of more than one organism) and the human/hybrid dynamic to comment on the historical effects of colonialism... sounds like a hell of a stretch now but should hopefully be clearer when I actually finish!
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I assume you're referring to Strugglers. Since I wrote the skeleton plot and loosely scripted the first part, I haven't worked on it. This is from a novel (prose) I started in 2007, except I've been reworking it multiple times. I've finally got a grasp of just about everything I want to cover in it, so I just have to rewrite the plot framework one more time and I should be good to go again!


I see. Well, good luck with that. I've never had much love for extended projects myself, since I tend to lose interest pretty quickly, but I'm very interested to see what you come up with.

Doe may be a deer (a female deer) but doe is also a female rabbit!


Ahh.

I'm using 'hybrids' (any genetically engineered being with defining traits of more than one organism) and the human/hybrid dynamic to comment on the historical effects of colonialism...


Lawl. I couldn't expect less from an Aussie
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Lawl. I couldn't expect less from an Aussie


Well met, good sir. I am indeed focusing somewhat on the issues surrounding indigenous peoples of Australia.
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I am indeed focusing somewhat on the issues surrounding indigenous peoples of Australia.


It's funny really. Everyone remembers apartheid, but seem to forget the terrible treatment of the Aboriginies by the white Australians. Not saying we British were any better in that regard mind you, in fact in terms of scale, caused far more suffering. Interesting nonetheless though, how certain plights are remembered and others forgotten.
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Ok, Strop, why are all your pics girls?

...Yes, even the bunny.

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Ok, Strop, why are all your pics girls?


Strop wishes to be the little girl.
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Everyone remembers apartheid, but seem to forget the terrible treatment of the Aboriginies by the white Australians.


Really the fundaments of all examples remain the same. I happen to think that the specifics of the Aboriginal Australian story is particularly interesting, given the atrocities committed are on some counts equivalent to Hitler's Final Solution.

Ok, Strop, why are all your pics girls?


They're not. Just the overwhelming majority of the pictures I post are >_>

Strop wishes to be the little girl.


You wish, perv!
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I happen to think that the specifics of the Aboriginal Australian story is particularly interesting, given the atrocities committed are on some counts equivalent to Hitler's Final Solution.


I am always amazed to see how people seem to view Hitler as the epitomy of evil. Don't get me wrong, he was absolutely twisted, in both intentions and reasoning, but he wasn't the first to exercise ethnic separation and cleansing, and probably won't be the last sadly.

Or maybye I'm thinking about a different Aussie govt policy? You are referring to the separation of Aboriginal kids from their original families no?
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he wasn't the first to exercise ethnic separation and cleansing, and probably won't be the last sadly


Oh I know this very well. While ethnic discrimination and genocide are frequently recounted in the Old Testament and Stalin was responsible for probably five times as many deaths, Hitler makes a very handy example. Particularly in contrast to the Australian Aborigine story which is not at all well known.

Or maybye I'm thinking about a different Aussie govt policy? You are referring to the separation of Aboriginal kids from their original families no?


There's a few. "Stolen Generations" is one. The cross-breeding programs to wipe out the aborigine phenotype is another. Both of these were introduced under the guise of "bettering" the Aboriginal population (by wiping them out and assimilating them). Before then was the usual systematic hunting and killing.

The other feature I'd like to point out is that during the 'Stolen Generations', the government employed 'trackers' to help hunt down fugitive Aborigine tribes. These 'trackers' were Aborigines employed to basically betray their own with alcohol... Aborigines were particularly susceptible to addiction... and still are- hence the continuing issues with trying to manage their poor social and health outcomes.

Now that the first step to "reconciliation" has been taken by PM Rudd saying an official "sorry" (a big issue throughout all of John Howard's eleven years as PM as Johnny refused to do it), the issues remain as controversial as ever. What do we do about land titles and is it even possible to repair the effect of two centuries worth of conflict? There's no turning back the clock but given the sheer incompatibility between the ways of life, what's the best way forward? Isn't trying to "solve their problems" by our own outcomes in just the same spirit as before, or has the situation changed?

A large portion of Anthropometry (the novel) bundles most of these specific issues into a single snapshot of the world. The main character, Orlestat, has been trying to deny his role in any of it due to his own troubles. This is just one sort of perspective some of the indigenous peoples have taken in response... I'll be exploring others through the various characters he meets in his quest "for life and liberty".
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There's a few. "Stolen Generations" is one. The cross-breeding programs to wipe out the aborigine phenotype is another.


I thought they went hand in hand. Any half Aborigine, half white children would be taken away from their Aboriginal communities, to be, as you put it bettered.

Aborigines were particularly susceptible to addiction... and still are- hence the continuing issues with trying to manage their poor social and health outcomes.


I'd heard that one of the big negatives for aboriginal self determination, was the fact they seem to have assimilated so poorly into modern urban living, not that they shoul dhave to mind.

Isn't trying to "solve their problems" by our own outcomes in just the same spirit as before, or has the situation changed?


Not really sure. I think the arbiters of the change should be the Aboriginal people themselves, as they, after all will be the ones most affected. A referendum, or some sort of census would probably be most conducive to this end.

I'll be exploring others through the various characters he meets in his quest "for life and liberty".


Interesting. Looking forward to it.
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You wish, perv!


You have no idea.
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I thought they went hand in hand.


You're right, they did. I'm just not sure if the whole thing starting with the erasing of the phenotype to the forcible removal of "white-skinned" children was part of one grand masterplan or whether it was thought of in stages.

they seem to have assimilated so poorly into modern urban living


It's the inevitable result of forcibly introducing an alien perspective of living without the proper tools of mutual communication...

think the arbiters of the change should be the Aboriginal people themselves


...so it could be argued that the generations of older had no desire to assimilate. If they had their own way everybody who wasn't around pre-1770 should have simply packed their bags and buggered off outta Australia. But that isn't happening, and as far as my experiences with the Aboriginal community go, the more recent generations are increasingly interested in moving on and together. Examples of positive liaison exist- we just haven't figured out how to apply a mutual solution in the grand scheme of things.

The other side to this is that most of Australia isn't really all that interested. They don't understand it, they don't feel a deep connection with this nation or its history (one aspect of multiculturalism), and most people seem to think "get over yourselves, move on." Most of the younger generations purely look out for themselves. Most of my classmates would rather not attend any of the (few) cultural safety workshops we're subjected to. Not that this attitude is particularly productive either.

In short, "never have", maybe. "Never will" is slowly crumbling away into falsehood. But a perfect solution is a long way off if it even exists. And there are a lot of other things going on in the world.

You have no idea.


And that's as much idea as I'll ever want, given how popular Strip is!!!
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I'm just not sure if the whole thing starting with the erasing of the phenotype to the forcible removal of "white-skinned" children was part of one grand masterplan or whether it was thought of in stages.


Not that I know very much about the details, but it seems unlikely it was part of one grand scheme, rather it was structural. Different regimes at different times in Australia's past all wanted to get rid of the Aborigines to make white dominance absolute, but used different methods and built on the methods of their predecessors to reach these ends. At least, that to me seems what's most intuitively plausible.

I mean sure, they were racialist, but I don't think that was the driving force behind their desire for Aborigine extinction, more just making their victory absolute.

...so it could be argued that the generations of older had no desire to assimilate.


No, and why should they have? Whites enslave and kill your people, attempting to destroy your culture in the process. If anything that would strengthen your efforts to preserve your culture and way of life, not aspire to become part of it.

"get over yourselves, move on."


It's always easy to say things like that when you're not part of the minority, and I think it's very telling of a society how many whites and ex pats fail to see it from any other perspective.
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Wait... refrase question...

Ok, Strop, why are most of your pics nude girls?
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