Keep this debate clean. I have a few questions about god and Jesus. Now i am a christian and i believe but it's not about me. Well when people go oh Jesus and god is a bunch of bull-hunky, and yet when they have a gun pointed to their head they go oh Jesus oh god please help me, i don't get that. And another thing is how people can sit there and not believe in anything. To me believing as some say is being afraid of dying, but I am not really. I think believing gives hope to whats really out there and to sit there being really dark and not believing in anything is just not human, to me at least. So my big question even to me, is god or Jesus real, or anything we seem to think is real...real?
Well you almost lost towards the end of that, but I think that saying Oh God when been faced with a life or death situation is pretty automatic and instinctive. (By the way I am a Christian aswell)
My use of the phrases 'oh lord', 'God', aso is purely based on their value as - power words? No idea what it's called. But same way as I use the f-word, 'crab' (I don't say crap, I say crab), 'oh dear', and tons of other expressions. They mean nothing to me on the terms of religion. It's just vocalizations. I'm not religious, nor am I an atheist. I find the atheistic view of the world slightly sad, and I like the possible illusion of something more, something greater. But yeah... I don't understand people who start praying when they're in trouble if they otherwise dislike the religion.
The point about people not believing, then praying when a gun is pointed at them is about believing when you need to believe. They don't believe because they don't need to, everyhting is right as rain in their life. But when that life is put in danger, and there is no where else to turn, so they turn to God. (Some say he exists, so why not take that chance?)
I think believing gives hope to whats really out there and to sit there being really dark and not believing in anything is just not human, to me at least.
I find that quite offensive as I am not a religious person. Believing in God (Gods, a higher power, etc.) and simply believing, are two different things. I don't believe in that higher power, but I do believe that things do will end for the better, and I do have hope. To say that I am not human because I don't think a higher power is helping, is just wrong.
And to say that non-believers are 'dark,' as you put it, is saying that we are evil in your eyes. (light=good[God] and darkness=evil[Devil]).
So my big question even to me, is god or Jesus real, or anything we seem to think is real...real?
If you believe that they are real, then they are real. As long as you believe it, then it's real. If you don't then it's not. Don't question it.
I think believing gives hope to whats really out there and to sit there being really dark and not believing in anything is just not human, to me at least.
Wow...Great comment...Way to say athiests are inhuman.. Athiests are human..they just have different beliefs..Not believing in god is one of them
I may not have a religion...But I'm just as normal as anyone else
Bull-hunky???? but yea people dont believe in god or nothing but still say oh god because it just instinct. but yea i believe in god because of the miricules he put on earth, i just cant see if it was no god. also i didnt know that there were so many atheist in the world. in my neighborhood, everybody believes in god and if you dont you weird. i mean even some gang memebers say that they believe in god while they sometimes do terrible things. but still i dont mean to be offensive like rose royse. its just weird to me.
Actually Jesus is real. The actual historical part of it says that he was a man that created this religion, while appointing numerous members that believed his story to go teach others about him. The Romans then crucified him because of what he was teaching. Historical texts do not say any specific miracles that Jesus may have done, that is for the religion itself to explain. It also does not say anything about him resurrecting in 3 days and then going to heaven, but of course something this old was 2000 years ago and texts this old can be easily withered and destroyed.
The point about people not believing, then praying when a gun is pointed at them is about believing when you need to believe. They don't believe because they don't need to, everyhting is right as rain in their life. But when that life is put in danger, and there is no where else to turn, so they turn to God. (Some say he exists, so why not take that chance?)
I'd go further and say it's not even belief. It's merely desperation. When desperate, people will draw on whatever may help. And in some cases, the pleading and begging may help other people engage the problem and help them, it may not be a call to a deity so much as a way to express the deep level of need that they feel.
If you believe that they are real, then they are real. As long as you believe it, then it's real. If you don't then it's not. Don't question it.
There is more to something being real than whether or not we believe it to be. We may have nothing to go on but our convictions, perhaps that's what you mean? And in the case of religion or God or gods many may claim that's all we have. But simply because the only evidence is conviction does not mean that belief alone determines reality.
Of course the fact that atheists believe there is no God or gods still is a belief. So you make a great clarifying point, that perhaps it is not belief in a deity or higher power that defines humanity, so much as beliefs in some way about things that are transcendental: we believe that transcendental things matter. Even atheists, because if they didn't they probably wouldn't spend so much time arguing their case.
Everyone has reasoning behind their beliefs. You may just not accept some of it as rational, but that's your own definition of what qualifies as a valid belief. It is logically impossible to prove the non-existence of something. Hume pointed out that it truly is only belief that pens will continue to drop if held above the ground and released, because there's no way to prove it, other than continued experience. It's all still belief.
ShintetsuWA, I'm not so sure that the Romans crucified Jesus because of his teachings. I think they crucified him because the Jews claimed he posed a threat to peace in the region. Indirectly that may be his teachings, but it was more his potential political figure.
Of course God is real and by the way God and Jesus are the same, God, Jesus, and The Holy Spirit are one which is called The Trinity which is a combination of those three. God is real look around every second of the day miracles are happening all over the place but people call them as "coincidences" but they are wrong those are miracles. Last summer someone I knew was working at some place and this person had a heart attack or something and he dropped dead I mean he was dead and the person who I knew got by the guy and praied he checked his heart beat, no beat, so he praied and seconds later his heart was beating coincidence I think not that is a true miracle my God himself.
I think it is miracles to. A lot of lucky things have happened to me and all of those could not be coincidences. When I fell out of a tree the hospital people told me I could have got paralyzed or gotten killed. When I got up the only thing I said was Oh God, Oh god. It was just instinct I don't now why but when ever something bad happens I say Oh my God cause it is so common now that a lot of people say it. I am trying to stop mow cause it think it's wrong to say.
I believe in god but some people don't cause a lot of bad things happen in the world. Everything happens for a reason I think. What do people think of when they don't believe in God,and what happens when they die. I have a friend that is Atheist but he believes in the devil. I don't now if he will go to hell cause he is really nice and cool and I don't think he deserves to go to hell. No one has ever seen heaven but I now it's real. (Well I hope it is)
"Keep this debate clean. I have a few questions about god and Jesus. Now i am a christian and i believe but it's not about me. Well when people go oh Jesus and god is a bunch of bull-hunky, and yet when they have a gun pointed to their head they go oh Jesus oh god please help me, i don't get that. And another thing is how people can sit there and not believe in anything. To me believing as some say is being afraid of dying, but I am not really. I think believing gives hope to whats really out there and to sit there being really dark and not believing in anything is just not human, to me at least. So my big question even to me, is god or Jesus real, or anything we seem to think is real...real?"
Big questions there, but it's been answered by Drace once or twice in an elaborately short way. *sounds communism horn*.
