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who thinks communism is good, bad , or misunderstood?
i think communism was currupt by that monster Stalin an therefore, it became hard for that form of government to be truely used as Marx had intended it.

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Human greed is what ruins communism...

Drace
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Human greed is what ruins communism...


No its not and if you say this why even advocate communism?
VoteSocialist
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No its not and if you say this why even advocate communism?


Well that's because Mr.Communist isn't a communist Drace


How wouldn't human greed destroy a communist society like the Smurfs? If one person decides that some things are prerogative of him and not for others...how is that helping? Don't you ponder as to whether or not this greedy man's ideas will spread? People will think "If this guy is so greedy and so content with being greedy then why would I ever want to share the fruits of my labor with him/her?" Greed destroys communism!
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Communism was misunderstood by Stalin's corrupt government and some of Communism's dissisions. If Troski took over Soviet Russia insteed of Stalin, things would have been, much, much diffrent. Capitalism and Communism was only mixed in freindly relationships in the 20s - 40s. After that the whole Communism Party and the Bolshiveks were mere enemies of Capitalism, and majorly in the United States. If dissisions were diffrent, and then there veiw in others eyes would also be more freindly, or should I say open.

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communism is quite simple, government: we own everything, and the people have too do whatever the government wants, that is why i say i hate communism with a passion, it is the borg equivilent of a society.

No matter how you look at it, every capitalist state has been forced into depresssion


Thats sorta 1 sided, every kind of state no matter what(fascist, socialist,capitalist,communist) has had a depression, and its not beacause of the kind of state they are, for example the great depresion in america was caused by the federal reserve, not capitalism.todays resesion in america is caused by inflation, caused by the federal reserve, not capitalism.
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communism is quite simple, government: we own everything, and the people have too do whatever the government wants, that is why i say i hate communism with a passion, it is the borg equivilent of a society.


More research is required cannot compute.
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ill be more specific,

ill be more specific, comunism is a comunist state with a comunist economy(unlike america with a republic state and capitalist economy) where the governemnt owns capital(means of production), this is totalitarian, meaning the goverment controls all. im pretty sure in a comunist state you dont buy food and stuff, the government gives u the ammount they see fit.

a comunist state is a militairy one, where freedoms of nearly any kind do not exist. comunist states control companies through laws(unlike fascist who control them outright and capitalist who don't control them)

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communism is quite simple, government: we own everything, and the people have too do whatever the government wants, that is why i say i hate communism with a passion, it is the borg equivilent of a society.


Communism is actually not that simple at all, the entire theory involves analyzing the history of class struggles, recognizing that all revolutions are different from communist ones because the workers all must throw away their private property. A government that just directly takes control of the economy isn't communist at all, it can only call itself a communist state. Communism is when there is no state and when there are no classes; everything is owned collectively by everyone. The State "withers away" as it is no longer needed. After the revolution you need a socialist transition from capitalism before you could even think about having a communistic society. Italian communes in the middle ages and the Paris commune in the 19th century are classical examples of what communism in its ultimate stage looks like.

The true problem with communism and variants of communism like Leninism is just how you're going to get everyone to conform to the revolution and to the will of the community so that all people become egalitarian. There is really not much of a reward under communism unless the people appreciate the big picture such as better quality goods and structures.
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ill be more specific, comunism is a comunist state with a comunist economy(unlike america with a republic state and capitalist economy) where the governemnt owns capital(means of production), this is totalitarian, meaning the goverment controls all. im pretty sure in a comunist state you dont buy food and stuff, the government gives u the ammount they see fit.


Wow.

This is, like. . .totally wrong.

In pure Marxist Communism, there is no government. The means of production are commonly owned among the people. The only 'government' is absolutely everyone in the state - the dictatorship of the proletariat. And the people split all earnings evenly - which sound good on paper, but it very tough to do on a large scale. And I guess you could say that the government controls all, except the government in this case is the same as the population.

You must've got your 'facts' from the Red Scare.

I'm not Communist, but. . .wow. I just had to point this out. >.<
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but. . .wow. I just had to point this out



That is just cold-blooded of you alt...simply cold. Although I think I agree with you about 99%.
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Ronald Reagan said that the the USSR was a an evil empire lol. They were fighting the evil empire .

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I just want to say to everyone who critises communism based on existing examples of socialist/communist nations, just bare in mind two basic factors:

1) The state of these nations is NOT communist but it's considered a TRANSITION state to communism.

2) Communist countries CANNOT servive (easily) in a capitalistic world.

In fact, communism doesn't stand a chance when facing capitalism in economic and materialistic terms. That explains the, let's say, "anti-communist" or "totalitarian"-like behavior of the leaders of socialist countries (like Cuba or other latin countries) from time to time (of course, everything looks a million times worst to us "enhanced" with some corporate propaganda..).

Remember, they are in a position of DEFENSE towards the rest of the capitalist world..

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Ronald Reagan said that the the USSR was a an evil empire lol. They were fighting the evil empire .


Ronald Reagan actually wanted to join the communist party when he was an actor, lol
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2) Communist countries CANNOT servive (easily) in a capitalistic world.


Not only can it not survive in a capitalistic world, but it can't survive easily in a world of humans at all. We're too competitive, maybe if we ever become a peaceful species it will work, but right now we can't shake off the desire to be better and richer than the rest. Obviously, in Communism, you're going to have the same amount of money as everyone else. In pure Communism at least.
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Not only can it not survive in a capitalistic world, but it can't survive easily in a world of humans at all. We're too competitive, maybe if we ever become a peaceful species it will work, but right now we can't shake off the desire to be better and richer than the rest


I partially agree with the fact that, right now, a theoretical sudden transition to communism would not work in the best way, because the human kind will not get rid of the "viruses" of their capitalist past, right away..

But on the other hand, we should make clear that this thing has NOTHING to do with human nature, right? Competitive behavior derives from the state of FEAR and NEED. And these are the two columns of capitalism.. fear brings need, need bring consumption. period.

The enviroment plays the basic role in the human behavior, if not the only one..

Of course, we are not talking about the ABSOLUT EXTINCTION of competitive behavior. Competive behavior is not really the case. You can see competition over two men for the love of woman, right? ;D

But this is million miles away from the state of GREED or EXPLOITATION or NEED FOR OWNERSHIP, which are meanings equal to capitalism..
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