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theone99
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A ppint where there are no illnesses? Think about it, I mean our body adapts to stuff very quickly,do you think it's possible with the help of medicine as well? I mean,foresay,Our bodys adapt to where there are no more chicken pocks,and all illnesses.

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I have a theory that as we adapt to the virus'...more will appear...where from?...ANTARCTICA!

Think about it...something killed the dinosaurs...what if it was some kind of virus that thrived in hot weather. So the dinosaurs died...and then along came the ice age...and KAPOW! The virus is locked in ice for the next thousand or so years...

And then...along comes Global Warming....the Ice melts and suddenly we are attacked by a vicious virus...

lol...

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theone99
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I think some viruses might die out,because they HATE the hot weather,and global warmings acting up,and this might make some viruses either,weaker,die out,or strengthen.

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False theone. Viruses and bacteria LOVE the warm, humid, damp weather. That's why they are living on your tongue and in your system =). There are going to be a heckuva lot more of them when the temperatures steadily increase. There are going to be a lot more in those northern environments, where once it was freezing cold, they are now steadily getting to the point where it's getting above freezing, and eventually room temperature, if we keep going along this dark path.

Back to adaptations...

Right now, doctors are getting uneasy, because bacteria are now starting to resist and/or getting immune to our medicines that they (and eventually I) give you. That medicine is their supposed "changed" environment that they have to overcome. It only took them roughly 100 years to develop the genes to resist the medicine, and now all we have left to give without resisting (yet) are vaccines and the X medicine.

This all goes to the hypothesis of humans adapting to where we wouldn't get sick anymore. It's never going to happen. It's an everlasting battle against defense vs. offense. If we brought back a Paleo-Indian from God knows how long, he would die from the first disease, because his defense is like a cardboard box and a helicopter-controlled gattling gun. So there's my... 5 cents about this topic.

Oh by the way, if you read this, you might learn 5 things or 10.

theone99
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False theone. Viruses and bacteria LOVE the warm, humid, damp weather. That's why they are living on your tongue and in your system =).


That's only some,our body temperature rises when were sick.Thats why we are more prone to sickness in the winter,A.K.A Flu season.
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It only took them roughly 100 years to develop the genes to resist the medicine, and now all we have left to give without resisting (yet) are vaccines and the X medicine.
The X medicine? Elaborate, please? *curious*
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That's only some,our body temperature rises when were sick.Thats why we are more prone to sickness in the winter,A.K.A Flu season.

The flu season is because many of us do not want to be outside when i is cold, and then clutter up inside, giving the virus a perfect way of infecting others.
The reason for us getting a fever, and the viruses/bakteria dying is because our cells work faster when varm, but if they get too warm, they will be destroyed. Fever is both good and bad that way.
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The X medicine? Elaborate, please? *curious*


The X medicine is the harmful medicine, an oxymoron. I can't for the life of me right now remember what the actual name is, but it is labeled the X medicine.

It is the doctors' last resort when eliminating a disease/sickness.

The X medicine is harmful to the human body and can actually kill the person when syringed incorrectly, or placed in the wrong area. Yes, it will kill the bacteria/virus, but it will have a chance of harming the person further. Like I said, doctors are getting uneasy with recent adaptations to the germs.
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Think about it...something killed the dinosaurs...what if it was some kind of virus that thrived in hot weather. So the dinosaurs died...and then along came the ice age...and KAPOW! The virus is locked in ice for the next thousand or so years...

Eeerr.... or a giant meteorite for which there is tons of evidence.
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Hahaha,man that posts made me laugh..Dude,we learned about the dinosaur exctinction in 2 grade!!

Well,I think it is 50-50% in which the race is to if we adapt fast enough or not..
*ding* LEts ask Strop!!he a doctor.

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I will give you a reason why this is wrong, most viruses have different forms, like the flu, your memory cells only remember the one type so you are protected from that not all of them, there is only one chicken pox virus so you get immune to that, sometimes you will lose your memory cells and can get it again but that is rare, so no we can't be immune to all sicknesses.

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Well,I think it is 50-50% in which the race is to if we adapt fast enough or not..
*ding* LEts ask Strop!!he a doctor.


Uhm, I'm a doctor too y'know... And he hasn't posted yet, so it's up to me.


We are a more complex species than bacteria are, so most likely the bacteria are going to develop more. But the big factor in this is all the environment that changes. If it doesn't change, then they are going to remain the same, save for small tweaks here and there.

@Armor_Warrior: did you know that there are multiple forms of chicken pox? Or should I say herpes, because Chicken Pox is a form of the herpes virus. And when you first gain the herpes virus, that is kept with you for your entire lifetime, so once you have the Chicken Pox, you technically have herpes. Forever. =) Just thought I'd like to scare some of you.
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Never knew that,any survive-death surgeries?

back on topic,wow,herpes?Well,if it is its not like the actual thing,because well,we get rid of it by waiting it out,herpes..your stuck with.

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No, I don't think so. The human body will not only encounter more advanced virus, and an infinite amount of them, the body will encounter faster adapting viruses and bacteria.

There are billions of kinds of forms of infection and sicknesses that can effect our body negatively, and to adapt to the point that we are able to never get sick, we would have to be some kind of all-powerful super-being.

And not only are there billions of those viruses, all of them can adapt. Not to mention, they can advance and change quicker than we can, so there is virtually no possibility of this ever happening in history.

Well, at least not naturally.

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Humans naturally adapt to there enviroment. If you are at a place where people are always sick you might just adapt and become immune to the sickness.

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But the big factor in this is all the environment that changes. If it doesn't change, then they are going to remain the same, save for small tweaks here and there.


I don't really understand what you mean by that.

Furthermore as a medical professional you really ought to be more responsible with the way you disseminate information when talking about infections diseases, particularly herpes- at least inform people that there are multiple types of herpes (zoster, simplex, and their subtypes) and different types will tend to infect different locations, and be transmitted in different manners. Cold sores, for example, are one type of HSV, whilst the sexually-transmitted herpes is another. Best to look this up in detail if you would like to know.

Anyway, regarding the interaction between environmental, pathogenic and human factors:

Consider, for example, that the influenza virus antigenic presentation (i.e. the challenge it presents to our adaptive immune system) changes little by little for the most part, and our immune system will sooner or later latch on to these changes (maybe with some help from flu shots: evidence is sometimes equivocal on this count).

However there are two major events that dramatically influence the nature of influenza and the extent of population illness: antigenic drift and antigenic shift. Drift basically means change in the antigenic presentation at an increased rate, that will leave the immune system (and medicine) behind for a while, resulting in outbreaks (this happens once every 20 years or so). Shift, however, is a sudden mutation of a population that completely alters the presentation of the flu virus, leaving the population completely flat-footed and causing widespread epidemics. This happens about once every 100 years or so.

As you can see from this single example, while the fundamental principles that everything is connected to everything and therefore everything changes sooner or later, these changes can present sometimes overwhelming challenges to human survival.

So bottom line: there is no assured security in this competitive environment. There are many more factors than simply medications (you can consider this the icing on the cake even). The issue with pharmacological treatment is that anything carries risk factors, and so do drugs. Much of the advances and improvements in health outcomes is to do with social engineering and infrastructure more than anything else, which pretty much reduce prevalence of modes of infectious transmission and therefore risk factors to illness.

If you are at a place where people are always sick you might just adapt and become immune to the sickness.


This depends on the illness! Epidemiology is devoted to studying what applies to what: for example your risk of having thalassaemia is pretty much entirely tied to your ethnicity, but if you move countries while you're under 15, you will tend to inherit the risk of Multiple Sclerosis in the country you move to!
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