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FutureUSMC
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This one ought to have some good debating going on. As we all know United States forces as well as others are in Iraq fighting the war on terror. Barrack Obama will pull the troops out in his presidency. I ask you should they stay in Iraq or be pulled out?

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Zootsuit_riot
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If we pull to many to soon, everything we did will fall apart and we will have to start from the bottom again---with two countries.


Or we could just leave them on their own. We don't need to play big brother to all the countries anymore. Right now there's enough stuff going on at home that we need to take care of it before handling anything more than sending medical and food supplies overseas.
ChopstickBoB
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This is a non-issue. The surge worked. The Iraqis are rapidly taking control of their own country. We'll be out of combat action in four years. We would have been regardless of who gained the presidency.

Yeah there are. You can say not all of them do it, but there are, in fact, rapists and murders in the army.


In fact huh? Obviously they are murderers, their profession is to kill people. As for rapists, well, prove it. Here at home, maybe. But in Iraq, in the middle of the war zone? Nope. You can't.

Your trumped up moral outrage went out of style in the 70's. This isn't the Vietnam War.
samy
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Why dont you shut up, warmonging Republican ****.


In case you missed it we don't want to be in this war but we think it was the right thing to do and nessicary, just becasue someone suports a war, dosen't mean that they are war mongerers.
ChopstickBoB
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Why dont you shut up, warmonging Republican ****.


Nice language there. Do you kiss your mother with that mouth? Actually I'm an independant; socially liberal and economically conservative.

As for the rape... Yep. Looks like proof to me. At least it isn't as bad as in the Vietnam War. I suppose if you send a bunch of 18 year olds out to shoot people some other less moral things are bound to happen.
samy
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Okay, your not a warmonging republican, your a warmonging independent. Great change there.


Were not warmongerers..why don't you get that?
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i think that the war should stop i mean how long can it go on people dyoing for no reason except that the us wants to prove themselves strong waht is the point right know only like 5 countries still like the US so i say that skrew the war and bring the troops back

Xzeno
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I hate to say, but this is a repeat topic, go here.

Parsat
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Looking past the lovely ad hominem, what do you suggest for peace, HippieSauce?

Graham
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everyone always looks at one perspective of war, it's terrible and costs lives oh no!!!!
ever tried looking at the perspective of the soldiers who want to serve their country?

if we pull out too suddenly then terrorism would get their morality back, thus causing another suicidal bombing in the US

think about it... would you rather have the fight over there(middle east) or over here (US)

there can be no peace without war and no war without peace

a paradox

Drace
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everyone always looks at one perspective of war, it's terrible and costs lives oh no!!!!
ever tried looking at the perspective of the soldiers who want to serve their country?

if we pull out too suddenly then terrorism would get their morality back, thus causing another suicidal bombing in the US

think about it... would you rather have the fight over there(middle east) or over here (US)

there can be no peace without war and no war without peace

a paradox


LOL THE TERRORISTS!
Sssssnnaakke
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well the thing is terrorists think that it's bad if that religon egsist because they think that there god will be pleased if it's the only god there

samy
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well the thing is terrorists think that it's bad if that religon egsist because they think that there god will be pleased if it's the only god there


No. Islam is monotheistic, which means they only believe in one god (Allah) and they believe what they're doing is for his "glory."
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This one ought to have some good debating going on. As we all know United States forces as well as others are in Iraq fighting the war on terror. Barrack Obama will pull the troops out in his presidency. I ask you should they stay in Iraq or be pulled out?


The invasion of Iraq was flawed from the start. Our troops were sent in under false pretenses, they were not properly equipped, and there was no strategy in place for a prolonged occupation.

Despite everything, our troops have performed brilliantly. I blame our civillian leadership for failing to learn from history. In our history, every time we have gone to war out of defense, we have achieved victory.

Compare Vietnam and Iraq:

Vietnam
-Invaded under questionable pretenses
-Propped up an unstable government
-Didn't have clear objectives, know exactly who our enemy was, therefore no cohesive exit strategy
-Our involvement escalated exponentially, spreading our military resources thin
-Defeated by unconventional warfare despite technological and numerical superiority.


Iraq (Gulf War II)
-Invaded under questional pretenses
-Propping up an unstable government
-Don't have clear objectives, don't know who our enemies are, no clear exit strategy
-Our involvement has escalated exponentially, spreading our military resources thin, leaving us vulnerable to terrorist attacks elsewhere
-Have already sustained sigificant losses in resources and manpower despite technological and numerical superiority

Unfortunately, we created this mess, so we have to clean it up. We need to finish training up the Iraqis so they can take over their own country.

Our exit strategy should be to incrementally withdraw troops from the interior and put them on the borders, to prevent Al-Qada, Iran, and Syria, from taking advantage of our withdrawl. By guarding the borders, we can give Iraq the time it needs to become self-sustaining without increased external pressures. Then we go home.
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Obama has continually voted to increase troop numbers in Iraq. What makes you think he's going to get them out now?


Lawls brother, he has continually voted to increase troops in Afghanistan. He has voted to boot troops from the big I.
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Being from the UK, I'm not sure if this affects me as much as it does Americans. But I think that if we pull all of the troops out of Iraq, there will be consequences. For example, as soon as we pull out the troops, there will be no control, and it will give the terrorists a chance to regroup and try to form some kind of system.

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