ForumsWEPRSince Catholics and Christians try and convert eveyone to their religion, shouldn't Jews do that to?

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jalex13
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Since Catholics and Christians try and convert eveyone to their religion, shouldn't Jews do that to?

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DaveTheDude
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Christians and Catholics are quite different. Catholics took the Bible and took out what they didn't like. Now as to the subject.
Depending on your religion, you may or may not want to convert someone to your religion. Like the Indians. They weren't trying to convert anyone simply because it wasn't a convertible religion. If a religion has a strong impact on you, you're converted. Some religions just don't have a strong impact.

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Christians and Catholics are quite different.


Catholics are still Christian ie they worship Jesus Christ, they are just one of the many branches of Christianity.
DaveTheDude
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Christians know the difference between Catholics. You're not Christian like me, Christians have the complete Bible and unlike Catholics, don't take anything out or change anything. Catholics believe that they should confess there sins too preachers who sin too. Christians confess it to God(Jesus Christ). Catholics believe in baptizing babies who don't know anything about God yet. Christians believe in Baptizing when a person is Saved and wants to show it. Catholics don't believe that faith in Christ saves a person from going to hell. Christians believe that we can only be saved from hell by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and accepting him as our Savior and that he died on the cross for us sinners. Catholics believe Marry was holy. Christians don't believe she's holy, but just an upright person. There are so many differences I can't name them. You can worship Jesus Christ and not believe in him.

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The definition of a christian is someone who worships Jesus. You cannot say that Catholics do not worship Jesus.

Also just because i am not christian doesn't invalidate my opinion on the topic. Of course there are differences between different bodies of christianity but that doesn't make them non christian.

If they are not christian then what are they, because catholicism alone is not in itself a separate religion.

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My take on it: the Jews and Hindus are just plain more POLITE about it. They don't feel the need to ram their religion down your throat. I appreciate that. Given any choice, I always side with the group that preaches TOLERANCE FOR OTHERS, not INTOLERANCE FOR DIFFERENCE.

I'm neither Christian nor Jew, and I've taken nothing but grief from the intolerant Christians. Frequently. Occasionally violently. Seems that they totally forget that their Jesus was all about LOVE and not VIOLENCE. Someone needs to read their book to them.

At the radical extreme of Intolerant Christianity, I know a guy that's been DENIED by his family for over 25 years. He told them he was gay, and they utterly broke off relations with him. They won't even admit that he ever lived. Wonderful sense of community.... :-/

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At the radical extreme of Intolerant Christianity, I know a guy that's been DENIED by his family for over 25 years. He told them he was gay, and they utterly broke off relations with him. They won't even admit that he ever lived. Wonderful sense of community.... :-/


That's horrible. In some places it is illegal to be gay.
Parsat
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Tolerance is such a fickle word. Be careful when you use it, for it is a double-edged sword.

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for it is a double-edged sword.


What isn't these days. You can't say anything these days wihtout being politically incorrect
DaveTheDude
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The definition of a Christian is much different then most people would interpret it. This country was built on Christianity, George Washington was a Christian, Abraham Lincoln was a Christian. But, Catholics don't worship Jesus Christ as he should be worship. If someone says somethings pollitically incorrect, saying that something is politically incorrect could be considered pollitically incorrect. Making the term a joke.

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What isn't these days. You can't say anything these days wihtout being politically incorrect


That's part of the reason. Tolerance these days seems to consist more of "Don't tell me my truth is not the truth," in other words, the belief that truth is subjective, which I find exceedingly odd.

DaveTheDude, what is so different about Catholicism from Christianity? They believe in Christ's deity, they believe in the Trinity, they agree with all the basic tenets of Christianity. Sure, they have extra ceremonies and rites, but what is it that makes them not Christian? Are you to judge who worships Christ correctly?
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Christians know the difference between Catholics. You're not Christian like me, Christians have the complete Bible and unlike Catholics, don't take anything out or change anything.


The Catholic Bible is just as full as the Protestant Bible. I think you're referring to the Council of Nicea, where they chose which books to include. However, at that point, there were no "Catholics" and "Protestants," simply "Christians".

Catholics believe that they should confess there sins too preachers who sin too. Christians confess it to God(Jesus Christ).


Confession is simply a sacrament. It is not required to confess to a priest, who is technically working at the will of God, but most Catholics do it out of tradition at least once in their life.



Catholics believe in baptizing babies who don't know anything about God yet. Christians believe in Baptizing when a person is Saved and wants to show it.


This is an old, old tradition, held over from times when a majority of children did not live for more than a few months. To ensure that their souls would go to heaven, instead of remain in purgatory, babies were baptized as soon as possible.

Catholics don't believe that faith in Christ saves a person from going to hell. Christians believe that we can only be saved from hell by believing on the Lord Jesus Christ and accepting him as our Savior and that he died on the cross for us sinners.


Uhh, you're not very familiar with Catholic Doctrine, are you? We believe that it takes faith and good works to get into heaven. If one wishes to lead a holy life, he or she must live (at least partially) as Jesus did, and devote themselves to helping others. You get to help the needy, and your soul gets saved. Better than just sitting around all day and praying.

Catholics believe Marry was holy. Christians don't believe she's holy, but just an upright person.


Sorry, but if you don't believe that Mary was Holy, then you don't believe in the Immaculate Conception, which means the generalized Protestants you are speaking of do not actually believe that Jesus was a Holy figure or the Son of God.

Parsat basically summed up everything else I had to say:

DaveTheDude, what is so different about Catholicism from Christianity? They believe in Christ's deity, they believe in the Trinity, they agree with all the basic tenets of Christianity. Sure, they have extra ceremonies and rites, but what is it that makes them not Christian? Are you to judge who worships Christ correctly?
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Zootsuit jw for future reference really, are you a catholic or were you just raised as one?

Sorry, but if you don't believe that Mary was Holy, then you don't believe in the Immaculate Conception, which means the generalized Protestants you are speaking of do not actually believe that Jesus was a Holy figure or the Son of God.


Not really, Mary was just his mother, God made him holy.
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I'm Catholic, but I could probably be better about going to church.

Not really, Mary was just his mother, God made him holy.


No, that's not true. In order to give birth to Jesus, Mary had to be pure. So, when she was in Anne's womb, he rid her of original sin so that she could carry Jesus.
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No, that's not true. In order to give birth to Jesus, Mary had to be pure. So, when she was in Anne's womb, he rid her of original sin so that she could carry Jesus.


Hmm that does give me something to think about, but for Jesus to also be 100% man wouldn't she have to be, human not holy?
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I'm not so pleased by Catholic theology; some of it I think is downright false. However, I acknowledge them as Christians. In a way they are the last bastion of a moral center I think the world needs right now.

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