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TexanProvo
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North Korea has defied world powers and carried out and underground test of a nuclear device Russian officials said is comparable to the bombs that wiped out Hiroshima and Nagasaki. North Korea has already tested out a rocket and tensions are increasing between the world and the Communist state.
So, what does everyone think to that. North Korea has been told time and time again to step down from producing nuclear weapons, but now it has apparently made a successful one. What do you see happening as a result of this?

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[url=http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30921379]

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Flipski
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No I didn't mean that it gives them the right to develop nukes. I just meant that countries should get their priorities straight. North Korea's priorities are obviously offensive if they are developing nukes before developing any other aspect of their country. I was just comparing North Korea to other countries that have developed economies and decent living conditions for their citizens. In those cases spending money on a nuclear program is less absurd, but by no means a right or necessity. I'm speaking relatively.

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lol, sorry to say this Ricador, but I find it funny how your post was dismantled, piece by piece, over the course of the page.

Naturally I disagree with it in entirety. And I do mean in entirety. But you might not see it that way, because as you'd probably say: "We're the good guys!"

Who among those nations antagonising the US would see themselves in any other way?

North Korea's priorities are obviously offensive if they are developing nukes before developing any other aspect of their country.


It's a dangerous sign isn't it, developing nukes when the vast majority of N.Korea doesn't even have electricity at night.

Low blow, I know, but I like that photo.
FireflyIV
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In those cases spending money on a nuclear program is less absurd, but by no means a right or necessity. I'm speaking relatively.


So as long as you have running water, good schools + hospitals, electricity in every house, then can you start to be aggressive and develop nulear weapons? If not, then why? As that's pretty much what the US has done for the past 50 years.
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Point number five in this cracked article about North Korea puts Flipskis point down perfectly.

"North Korea is kind of like a 12-year-old. It can't support itself because it spends a lot of its allowance on toys and various love letters to Kim Jong-il. And keep in mind "toys" means "weapons." They are always threatening to build a nuclear arsenal, but the world realizes this would be the point the whole North Korea thing would stop being funny."

Personally, I don't think they should have the right to nuclear weapons while they deny the IAEA the ability to search the country and make sure everything is legitimate.

FireflyIV
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But since a few already do, the best thing they can do is develop agreements and regulations, and keep each other in check.


North Korea never signed any of these treaties, so why should they be subject to them?

That I think American should dismantle its nuclear weapons and stop being hypocritical? Why would I want that? If it's already out there, and countries like North Korea are building them, I want to be able to have control with fear, even if i never plan on using them, rather than panicking because north Korea might own my neighborhood tomorrow morning.


No. America has the right to nuclear weapons. It doesn't have the right to decide else is worthy of having them. America doesn't need to make sanctions against them to prevent them from using nukes. . America should stop criticising North Korea as that will only exacerbate things. The threat of MAD is enough to ensure they don't launch their weaponry against South Kprea.
Flipski
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why? cus we'll ef them up lol. There are no rules governing nations, and the UN can force other nations to do what they want.

It's not just America telling them not to build things, there are many other nuclear nations that feel the same way.

True that it's none of our business, and America is a bunch of idiots who micro manage the world. I think we shouldn't go around being the world police, but I do think having regulations based on the agreement of a majority of the powerful nations is okay to enforce if it is for the safety of the majority of the world.

I personally do not care. I would actually like to see North Korea try to launch something so that we can end this annoying game.

FireflyIV
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why? cus we'll ef them up lol.


Lol, exactly. Japan's military is more than capable of taking on N.Korea and winning. They have been looking for an excuse to do so for years. That's not to mention the other people that would step in.

There are no rules governing nations, and the UN can force other nations to do what they want.


The UN has no real sovreignty, especially not over states that play outside the rules.

True that it's none of our business, and America is a bunch of idiots who micro manage the world. I think we shouldn't go around being the world police, but I do think having regulations based on the agreement of a majority of the powerful nations is okay to enforce if it is for the safety of the majority of the world.


But who watches the watchers? What gives the US the right to be holier than thou in this instance, when they are the only nation that has actually ever used nukes in a war time situation?

People go on about N.Korea a hell of a lot. Not many people know Israel have nukes, and are far more likely to use them. They make more threats and are far more aggressive than North Korea. Yet everyone lets them go about their business. Why is North Korea different? Because it isn't US backed that's why.

Xavier1
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Lol, exactly. Japan's military is more than capable of taking on N.Korea and winning. They have been looking for an excuse to do so for years. That's not to mention the other people that would step in.


I thought that the treaty they signed to end WW2 said they couldn't have an invading force.

Not many people know Israel have nukes


Really? I always thought that them denying it was kind of like you or I say something like "Nah mate, I totally don't have skin... What are you talking about?"


Now guys, I think the FAQs on North Koreas official website should clear everything up. While you're at it you should also check out their fan club. The Korean Friendship Club. All you need is money, proof of ID and a copy of your passport to be sent in to become a part of it all!
FireflyIV
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I thought that the treaty they signed to end WW2 said they couldn't have an invading force.


They are allowed to have a defensive force, and intervening on the side of South Korea would constitute defence.

Really? I always thought that them denying it was kind of like you or I say something like "Nah mate, I totally don't have skin... What are you talking about?"


It's their way of saying, we have them, but it's just not publicly known, and we want to keep it that way. They do have the bombs, they haven't publicly tested them.
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Send an SAS team in to assasinate Kim Jong or whatever his bloody name is, and to be honest i couldnt careless, testing nukes is bad joo joo. Basiccaly, what North Korea have done, is a show of force, showing the west that they obviously have the means, the resources, and the power to do such a thing, and as for the long range missiles, if they could of hit the US with them, i reckon they would have done it already. The UN and indeed the world appose such actions, and we need something doing.

It doesnt affect just the states, but every country on earth, whats to say they wont launch them ?? whats to say that they wont launch multiple missiles ? Let alone one.


We need action, we need something doing about it, our leaders need to get their heads out of their arses and do something about it.

Stop The Talking, Start The Action......

Flipski
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No, I completely agree. What America believes is what is right to them, Americans are probably the most ignorant people I have seen, and they don't take a moment to see things from different perspectives. Thats something that's very disappointing about living in America. Ya Israel is potentially very dangerous. That whole area of the globe is very unstable. But the reason no one complains is because they are unfortunately supported by the United States. No one wants to get on Americas bad side even if we are completely ridiculous.

Btw I'm pretty sure Japan does not have a military. Since WWII they have been protected by U.S. forces, and half of South Koreas military is basically U.S. military.

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i agree with flipski

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