ForumsWEPRThis video will most likely change what you see of 2012.

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thoadthetoad
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No, I'm not here to bring you a video made by a common civilian saying "ZOMFG, TEH END IZ NEE4AAR!!!!!!!1!!!1!!!!", instead I'm here to show you a nice video I found while using my new "StumbleUpon" toolbar, with the function "Stumble Video". I chose GUBA.com as my stumbling site, and I came upon a very interesting topic about the mayan calendar. Including the main theory of how they made it, theories about the disappearance of the Mayans, and then of course, the supposed doom of 2012. The extremely interesting 45 minute long show (hosted by the history channel), Decoding History, is right Here!

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thoadthetoad
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Wow, that's clever. I haven't heard that 300,000 times before.

It's catchy and it's true. What's better? :P just because it's been used many a time doesn't make any less valid.
If you're trying to show you don't subscribe to the theory, you're not really putting that forward in this thread.

Well, there's been a lot of evidence, it's pretty amazing and I'm astonished by it. Apparently you don't have as open a mind as I do :P but note that I have not actually ever said that I beleived we're all going to die. I said it was amazing, and it's a lot to bite if you are just going to say it's poppyc*ck. I never said "THE WORLDS GOING TO END, WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!!" or anything like that. I was just saying that the video gave me a new view of the 2012 deal and the evidence they provided was really amazing.
Have you read... the Bible? There's a lot of excellent hoaxes out there that reel people in *all the time*.

you forget that most "good" christians I see are pretty desperate to not be alone, or are just plain scared or don't want to beleive that they rot in the ground. They live in a "bubble" as I call it. Some people's bubbles aren't popped, but that's for a different argument.


As for the whole Y2K, at the time I still listened and I didn't beleive it at all, I was just a munchkin too! Only 5 years old and I was like, "yeah, 2k, what about it? :P" it was a stupid theory with nothing supporting it other than a crackpot theory. However, the Mayan calendar and December 21st 2012, does have at least SOME evidence behind it.
Just because some Very Ancient Civilization(that collapsed)

Do you know why it collapsed? I thought so.
You're right, they were great astronomers and what-not, but just because they were pretty accurate in the field of astronomy and mathematics, does not mean that everything that comes from their mouth is automatically truth.

What has come out, has been truth.

What me, and Highfire are trying to say, is to not spend your days grieving over what is coming, but rather listening, and try to make the world a better place as a precaution. Like installing an extra fuse in your house just to make sure it doesn't burn. Like saying "better safe than sorry".

Personally, I think it might come true. I'm not adamant about it though. It could be wavered if you prove me wrong on every little thing, but so far it just seems that we're going around in circles with this (directed at hiddendistance).
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Well, there's been a lot of evidence, it's pretty amazing and I'm astonished by it. Apparently you don't have as open a mind as I do :P


On the contrary - I have a very open mind.. however, I am also skeptical, and critical. I think about what's plausible. If we are to take that the mayans have truly predicted the end of the world - and I'll take your point, you're not panicked or yelling about it like some others have in the past - the end of the world in more of a 'gradual' sense, that means that in some way, the mayans are capable of determining the future.

Now, without the opportunity to speak to an ancient mayan, or read more of their destroyed literature, we have to think about how they came up with their predictions. If it is truly an ability to tell the future, I would examine all of the other people on the planet that have foretold events in the days to come, accurately. Going from a scientific perspective... that number would be zero. So going from this number of other civilizations or people that have been able to scrye the future, it makes idea that the mayans were capable of this ability much less likely.

A more plausible, simple explanation, is that it is part of their religious culture. The end of the Mayan calendar may not mean *anything*, it is a lot of what people are reading into it. You take a look at Occam's razor:

The explanation of any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible, eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions of the explanatory hypothesis or theory.


The one that is the most simple, and makes the most sense, is that they were regular religious predictions of an ancient society, that have no bearing on reality. Don't confuse skepticism with not being open minded.

What has come out, has been truth.


Again, make a prediction vague enough and you can interpret it any way you see fit.

try to make the world a better place as a precaution.


So, if the mayan calendar wasn't predicting the end of the world, you wouldn't be trying to make the world better? I don't believe that - but I'm just trying to point out that really.. we're all trying to do that anyway. Why do we need a long dead civilization to tell us how to live?

it just seems that we're going around in circles with this


I'd be inclined to agree. You seem far too accepting of tenuous evidence & unlikely to budge from your point of view, however as you said:

It could be wavered if you prove me wrong on every little thing


Every little thing, and proving them negative to boot. That's an almost impossible criteria to fulfill, which I would say, is unreasonable. You seem obsessed more with possibility then probability. If this is going in circles, it's because you're not willing to consider the logic in the dissenting point of view.

As for me; if you could provide one prediction that the mayans made that is so incredibly specific that it could not apply to any other event or date; I think that would constitute a real ability that the mayans had to predict the future. And yes, that may also be a difficult task, but if someone told me they turn bricks of lead into quartz in an instant, I would certainly ask to bear witness to it in a variety of controlled circumstances. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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