Title says it all. Is it possible to be a christian, and support abortion? I think their was a thread on christian political views, and someone did mention this, but i wanted to focus on this one topic.
questions to have in mind: Does it go against my christian ethics? is it my choice to choose life or death? What does my religion say about abortion?
Well abortion is wrong in the eyes of God for 2 reasons that I know of: 1. The only reason to have sex is to procreate the species, and if you're getting an abortion, then you obviously didn't have sex to procreate. Therefore, you are a sinner in the eyes of God. 2. Abortion is killing a baby. I myself support legalizing abortion. Most people who have abortion aren't ready to be parents. Wouldn't it be better not to have a life than to have a horrible, oppressed childhood? Plus you should have the ability not to have a kid, although not having sex in the first place is a good idea. But yeah, as long as you're not a die hard, straight edge, do nothing but, Christian I think it's ok. I mean, if the parents don't want a child then chances are the child won't be happy during their youth. I'm pretty sure that Christians know God doesn't want anyone to be unhappy, so. But I mean...I'm not sure. That's just my take on it.
I haven't commented on this one for a little while, so please bear with me here.
Take the doctor or who got shot because he performed abortions. The man who shot him was a true Christian.
deserteagle I know you said you were sarcastic about this but I couldn't resist commenting on it anyway. The problem with the small number of pro-life activist that choose resort to that sort of action is that they seem hypocritical because they are trying to fight what they say is murder with murder. Now since this is really not the subject of this thread, I apologize and more on.
Unless you're a Catholic who's been excommunicated by the pope, you're still a Christian (you're arguably still a Christian even if the Pope excommunicates you).
You are still a Christian as long as you believe that Jesus was the son of God, you just can't be a Catholic.
My point is that a) supporting abortion isn't the same thing as having an abortion. I can theoretically support something even though I don't personally agree with it. And b) even if I had an abortion, it's a sin. Maybe a mortal one, but isn't the Christian god a god of forgiveness? Even if god is a super mad at you and you're going to hell, aren't you still a Christian?
a)One can be pro-choice even if it would not be their personal choice. b)I could start a whole thread about this comment. A person might argue that if you aren't a Christian, say if you're a Hindu that believes in reincarnation and moska, you can't go to hell because there's no such thing. But again this is for topic so I move on.
For ra.pe, incest (which to me is a much dirtier word than ra.pe), and child problems, that's debateable, but I disagree. Christians can logically come to that conclusion while still believing the ideals I've put above.
In the case of sexual assault (r-word) I agree with the comment made by ShintetsuWA on the previous page that a women who has impregnated by means of an assault should be allowed to have an abortion. There are those who would point out the fact that usually willing parents can be found to adopt said child but personally I would find it hard to bear the child of my attacker to full term if I was in this position. In the case of incest (which I agree is at least as dirty as the r-word) which in many cases is connected to the r-word I think the same rules should apply. There are (shudders) cases of the i-word in which both persons are willing and thus no assault is ever reported, a pregnancy in a situation such as this could could perhaps fly completely below the radar if none of the common fetal complications manifested. In the case of âchild problemsâ I guess my views are a little more complicated. When said problems are the result of incest that involved willing persons then those people should go to jail because it's illegal to inbreed though from somethings I have read there is not always legal action taken against people who do. Whether or not a fetus with complications because of inbreeding should be aborted is hard to say. I don't think that a child should be aborted because of complications unless that the mother's life is at risk. If a couple who want a child get pregnant (those who don't want a child should do what they can to prevent pregnancy) and find out that there are complications such as signs of mental disability or that there is a high risk of miscarriage I don't think that the child should be aborted. The parents should be willing to love and support any child even if that child is disabled and a miscarriage while painful, both emotionally and physically is a natural end. I realize that a lot of this really doesn't have much to do with whether or not a Christian can support abortion but I guess my ultimate point is this: I think that a person can agree with everything I said above and still be Christian. The belief that Jesus of Nazareth was the son of God and born of a virgin is the core of Christian religions.
you can be a christian and support anything you want. Hitler if he had been a christian at one point would still go to heaven no matter all the horrific things he did
you can be a christian and support anything you want. Hitler if he had been a christian at one point would still go to heaven no matter all the horrific things he did
Are you making a joke? You think a man who commited genecide goes to heaven because of religion? Sins are forgiveable IF the person is sorry. They aren't forgiven becuase of the religion you choose. And Hitler was Baptized Roman Catholic. So he was at one point a Christian.
So what you are saying is that if Hitler was sorry for staring WW2 and killing 60 million people he could go to heaven? I think all the Jews in Heaven won't be too please with that. Also BigP08 since you are a Christan pretend that Jews could go to Heaven.
Of course you can be Christian and believe in the abortion. Not everyone who is religious is a fundamentalists. You can believe some of the things that religion says, but not believe other things.
Okay this is really off topic but I've got to say that if God is so forgiving that you believe Hitler could go to Heaven then there would be no Hell at all. Just believing in Christ is not a ticket to Heaven, one has to up hold the commandments and practice the teachings of Christ. Hitler did not really do either of these things even though he was technically a Christian. He preached hatered and ordered killings, that goes against everything Christian faiths teach.
Sorry for double posting, but any way I would like to add something. This whole topic is similar to youthenizing a cat. Are you just going to let it writhe in pain and let it die a painful death; or are you going to do the humane thing and take it out of its misery. This is like bring a child into a world where it will have a presumably miserable childhood. It has been shown in studies that people with poor childhoods often are unsuccessful and are mentally stressed. I know there are many execptions to this but notice I italizied "resumably".It is better not have a life than be in a miserable one.
So what you are saying is that if Hitler was sorry for staring WW2 and killing 60 million people he could go to heaven? I think all the Jews in Heaven won't be too please with that. Also BigP08 since you are a Christan pretend that Jews could go to Heaven.
It would be a hell of a lot to be sorry for. But you can't fool God (if he exists). He'll know whether or not he would've worked the rest of his life to make up for the horrors he caused or not. Personally I don't think he's sorry though. And by the way, I believe Jews can go to heaven. Just because they don't share the exact same beliefs as me doesn't mean they can't hold the right morals and live a good life.
Okay this is really off topic but I've got to say that if God is so forgiving that you believe Hitler could go to Heaven then there would be no Hell at all. Just believing in Christ is not a ticket to Heaven, one has to up hold the commandments and practice the teachings of Christ. Hitler did not really do either of these things even though he was technically a Christian. He preached hatered and ordered killings, that goes against everything Christian faiths teach.
You mistake what I say. A lot more people probably go to Hell than heaven simply because they don't feel true sorrow. But everyone has a chance to go to heaven. You confuse being sorry with pretending to be sorry. I doubt Hitler was sorry, but if he was, he'd have to spend a lot of time in purgatory (assuming I'm right about this belief), but he could possibly go to heaven. But you are right about the commandments. Believing Christ existed isn't a ticket to heaven. I didn't say Hitler could've gone to heaven because he was a Christian. I said if he was sorry, God would know.
It is better not have a life than be in a miserable one.
I can understasnd that belief, and while I would disagree, a Christian could still believe in that type of abortion.
Of course you can be Christian and believe in the abortion. Not everyone who is religious is a fundamentalists. You can believe some of the things that religion says, but not believe other things.
A Christian commited to their beliefs, not one that decides to go against them, can't support birth control abortion. If you mean Christians that don't follow a specific denomination, that might be different.
And by the way, I believe Jews can go to heaven. Just because they don't share the exact same beliefs as me doesn't mean they can't hold the right morals and live a good life.
Um...i dont think they do since they dont believe in jesus, the son of christ.
I couldnt find it, but i remember saying some christians disaggreed on birth control? Someone mind explaining?
Um...i dont think they do since they dont believe in jesus, the son of christ.
Doesn't it seem a tad hypocritical to say that Jesus died for all humanity yet condemns good people for not knowing he was the Son of God?
I couldnt find it, but i remember saying some christians disaggreed on birth control? Someone mind explaining?
Maybe I can. While birth control interferes with the procreative intent, the users of it may get an abortion if the woman becomes pregnant. The abortion kills the child (according to Christianity, since the fetus has a soul), but the birth control stops the child from being formed. So I don't like birth control either, but I find it necessary to tolerate in order to stop more deaths.
Wasn't that doctor an avid Christian? and still believed in abortion? O wait... he was gunned down in church for his different beliefs. So I guess you really can't be Christian and support abortion!
DDX, how about "you can be Christian and support abortion, but other idiots who can't understand the concept of 'difference of opinion' and, thanks to the glory that is the NRA, are encouraged to go out, buy guns, and then kill people."
