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Coko3
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http://imgur.com/X314Dl.jpg

Blasted capitalists attempting to lower our right to download music!
So theres been a recent Pirate Bay trial, and piracy is such an issue these days.

What does AG think about piracy?

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afroninja1723
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I should totally use Armorgame's way of arguing.

Piracy = not stealing, therefore its not stealing.

If you have 500 bannaas, and you make a copy and you give it to someone. Its not stealing, therefore piracy is awesome

*some users douchebag counter argument*

BUT THATS SHARING, LIKE COMMUNISM. COMMUNISM IS BAD. EVIL NAZI


You are the biggest Troll I have ever seen. You make no sense with your arguments and just through the words communism and communist around when you can't think of something to say.
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Now to get on with the argument at hand. Say you make a song is that not you property. Aren't you the one who owns the rights to the song? How is it fair that someone can take your work and just give it to someone else without paying or having any consent from the creator of the work. And if piracy wasn't illegal the music business would be nothing the artist's wouldn't have any money to produce and make more music so production would stop. If you think this is fair please explain to me how in a logical and thought out argument and I'll gladly listen
Aussinizi
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Am sorry are you retarded?


People are going to ignore it. Why? Because it's against the law.


Reading my post is against the law?

But instead this developer can make a million copies of the game and sell it for $10 and earn $10,000,000, for his work worth only $50,000!!!


You forgot an important part. It's called a life sentence in a federal prison.


Ehh!?!?!????????????????!?!?!!?!?!!??!?!

You are the biggest Troll I have ever seen. You make no sense with your arguments and just through the words communism and communist around when you can't think of something to say.


God dam I was just showing the way you and others on here argue rofl!
Im glad you think its retarded.

Aren't you the one who owns the rights to the song? How is it fair that someone can take your work and just give it to someone else without paying or having any consent from the creator of the work.


What rights? That is an imaginary thing. If I make a song, yes its mine. But If I release a song I should acknowledge that it is going to be shared. Well no duh right?

If I say something, do i have rights over that too. Oh no you told that other person the words I said. SUED! lawl

And if piracy wasn't illegal the music business would be nothing the artist's wouldn't have any money to produce and make more music so production would stop. If you think this is fair please explain to me how in a logical and thought out argument and I'll gladly listen


The music companies make a shitload. Pirating levels this out

Right if EVERYONE pirated then they would be bankrupt. But hell I dont need songs coming form big producers anyway. You know how many people produce songs on their own time? For fun, perhaps? How do you think music worked out back then? You think people sold their songs, lol

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TSL3_needed
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Ehh!?!?


Let me guess, you've got no idea what the conception of 'copyright' is, do you? Legally, they can charge a pirate with each and every song they profited from.
Aussinizi
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Ehh yea I know that. but what does it have to do with developers earning a lot more then what they deserve?

TSL3_needed
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Ehh yea I know that. but what does it have to do with developers earning a lot more then what they deserve?


The fact that pirates can be punished by up to 5 years in prison per count. Learn about the law before you say anymore.

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TexanProvo
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Piracy is stealing as the original is the property of the creator and the creator has the right to sell you a copy. You can buy that copy and use it within certain terms and conditions of ownership, as stated in the warning before every DVD for example. When you copy and distribute the original work you are stealing the property of the creator, which is theft. If you have the creator's permission, it's a different issue, but if you don't it's piracy and that is illegal. If you continue to steal in this way, there will be no profit made on the product and if no profit is made you can not expect another product to be made.

HiddenDistance
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These workers try to take the easy way out! It would only be fair if they earned no more for their work! Only that of which is equal to the commodities they produced.


Yeah.. the 'easy' way out. You say it's fair if they don't earn any more for their work... who are you to make that call? As for what is equal to the commodities they produced - in our free market system, that price is established *by* the market. If people are paying that price for it, then that's what it's worth, and that's what the company gets. Do you know anything about economics?

That comes to about 50% / 50%! And I'm really not using real numbers here.


Well, if you're not using real numbers, then it doesn't mean anything, you're just making it up.

No one controls the internet and it has no rules.


Maybe not yet - but the software that you are torrenting off of the internet does have a license agreement & rules as to how and in what manner it gets used. So, if you're using the software, you are privy to legal action if you are in violation of the license agreement.

Why feel sad for them because they did not earn as much profit as possible?
As explained before, they do not deserve it


Actually, you didn't explain - at least, not very well. Why should I feel sorry for pirates being arrested, thrown in jail or forced to pay fees? As you said - downloading the stuff is very easy (and you're right there) so that means a pirate does absolutely no work to acquire someone else's (or a group of people's) creative work, be it the latest game, piece of music, or even photoshop.

Here drugs would be what encourages me.


Now your post is starting to make sense.

But I cant change the laws of physics here, and the developer shouldn't be able to either.


Laws of physics? What are you talking about?

But they usually go across the line and go to the point where they sell millions more then they need to for a profit. Hell, they shouldnt even be making a profit.


This is just crazy talk now. So you think that no business anywhere should be making more money then the bottom line? Should people working in jobs *only* receive food and shelter, and nothing more in terms of pay?

The music companies make a ****load. Pirating levels this out


So what? Successful companies wind up making a lot of money and being successful. What problem do you have with these people? That through hard work they shouldn't be part of a successful company and make money?

HEY BUT GUESS WHAT! THE RICH IS NOW NOT RICHER AND THE POOR AINT POORER


Please don't talk in all-caps. Now to address it. *ahem*. Maybe if people are 'oor' they shouldn't be wasting money on things that aren't a necessity in the first place.

And you're *so* right. Rich people are just evil.

If you have 500 bannaas, and you make a copy and you give it to someone. Its not stealing, therefore piracy is awesome.


Tell that to the banana farmers who depend on them to make a living.
NoNameC68
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If this thread had a longer OP, then people wouldn't be so obligated to flame.

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I decide if a thread shall end or if it shall live.

Stop flaming, or I will lock this thread. Don't flame to get this thread locked, because you will regret that.

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Internet Piracy is a highly debated topic today. What kind of piracty there is, what people pirate, and should it be illegal to pirate anything? How much pirating is too much.

Alright, I made a post that would work great as an Original Post. So have at it, speak your mind away. Don't flame, don't troll, don't accuse people of trolling.

Oh, and too the original topic starter, don't call other people morons. To be honest, half of what you said was incorrect anyway...
Aussinizi
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And you're *so* right. Rich people are just evil.


LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

JUST ROFFLIN LOLZ

Totally proved a point.
HiddenDistance
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LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
JUST ROFFLIN LOLZ
Totally proved a point.


And you don't have an intelligent rebuttal. I'm truly shocked. Go back to your cave, or spot under the bridge, which ever flavour you like.
TSL3_needed
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Totally proved a point.


The point he proved is the richest people on earth are definitely NOT evil. You're acting as if rich people are committing genocide, while most of them actually give more to charity than you will in your entire lifetime.

Piracy is stealing, it's illegal, and it's wrong. That's all I'm going to say, and I will never post in this thread again.
Graham
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problem with anything illegal is if you buy it at, say, half price you have a whole bunch of risk factors...

destroying itself
infecting your computer
being caught (by law)
exploding
crazy monkey with a snake tail mailed to you in a cardboard box

but i wouldn't think it'd happen very often or there'd be no business for the pirates

stealing = bad no matter how you look at it

put yourself in the position of the people who are gettin stolen from

LordOfDeath
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its unfair since the artist that sang the song don't get any money

Drace
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http://rationalargumentator.com/art_bateman/Bateman_Piracy_Not_Theft.png

HiddenDistance
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You are correct Drace - digital media is different, but in how it's different does not make piracy illegal. Theft? maybe not. Illegal? Yes. And here's how:

When you buy something in a store, like, a banana - you own the banana. It's your banana.

When you buy digital media, like software, or music - you do *not* own the intellectual property. You own the rights to use it. You do not own the rights to distribute it, or change it - just to use the software, listen to the music.

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