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Green12324
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With all the news about Michael Jackson lately, I know everyone is wondering this. Do you believe that the accusations of molestation were true, or was it just the plot of a family that wanted quick cash?

I personally believe that he didn't do it. Michael never really had a childhood, so I can see why he would want to make sure that other kids could have a nice one. Yes he admitted to sleeping with them, but I believe he wanted them to feel safe. Since he had a father who was very abusive he would have never felt safe. I joke about the guy, but since his death I've learned a lot more about it and I feel bad for him.

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BigP08
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Hey Green, out of curiosity, do you happen to have some links or something with evidence? I actually hadn't heard that theory before, but it doesn't seem impossible. If he's not a child molestor, I apologize for the times I made fun of him.

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Alright, so you're saying the armorgames community of average 12 year olds is smarter than a jury, trial, loads of evidence, lawyers, a lot of law and university-grads involved.

Nice logic.

Green12324
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Hey Green, out of curiosity, do you happen to have some links or something with evidence?


Right here. It even says the mother once sued a department store, claiming she was sexually assaulted when caught shoplifting. Both involve sexual abuse, very suspicious.
Green12324
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Sorry, forgot the link.

Alright, so you're saying the armorgames community of average 12 year olds is smarter than a jury, trial, loads of evidence, lawyers, a lot of law and university-grads involved.


No Drace, that's not what I'm saying. I'm merely asking for people's opinions on the trial, and there are plenty of intelligibly people on AG. Most twelve year olds won't even remember this.
seven_11
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yah he should of he paid of the people out of court so we will never really know what happened.

Somers
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I beleive he was completely innocent. If he did rape a kid, they would of came clean. No one can get raped and keep quiet about it. Although its not rape if its wanted...

Green12324
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I beleive he was completely innocent. If he did **** a kid


Molestation, not quite the same as rape. You're right though, even if Michael did molest the kid I highly doubt the kid would have gone against his family and admitted that Michael was never innapropriate with him.
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Now here's an MJ thread with a solid title and hook.

Drace: next time, put forward an actually constructive opinion. I don't know about you, but I don't think any of us forget exactly where we are.

Besides...

the armorgames community of average 12 year olds is smarter than a jury


Ever seen Twelve Angry Men? Ever witnessed the workings of a jury?

If you have, then more than likely you might even start to seriously consider this question you so flippantly threw out. I do not hold a high opinion of the jury system at all.
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Ever seen Twelve Angry Men? Ever witnessed the workings of a jury?

I love the movie, although I believe the ignorance of the jury was part of the script and not based off of a true jury meeting. That is just my theory, but I could most definately be proved wrong for I have never been in a Jury or any of that.

Even if Jackson didn't molest a child, sleeping with them is inappropriate. There are other ways to make children feel safe than sleeping with them.
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I love the movie, although I believe the ignorance of the jury was part of the script and not based off of a true jury meeting.


Sadly less than you think D: I can tell you that from experience.

Juries are not to be exposed to any externalities related to the case but this is already flawed from the start- after all there are uncontrollable externalities such as the general sentimentalism and emotivism involved in the nature of the case, the fact that one is judging somebody already, and of course the generally uneducated prejudices of the individual members of the jury themselves.

The only people who actually remain in a jury are those who don't have a job, don't like their job, want free food or, in the rare cases, complete saints. Then the legal system expects them to act in an unbiased and objective manner where none such thing is even possible. Hence the saying that in certain cases, if it ever comes before a jury, the defendant is already doomed.

Even if Jackson didn't molest a child, sleeping with them is inappropriate.


I've seen the relevant interviews. MJ claims to have slept on the floor and gave the kid the bed. All I'll really say else on this matter is that I believe that against all odds a lot of the statements being made have been misconstrued- even the line of questioning in itself implies a prejudiced conviction.

And then there's the question, can anybody provide actual justification for the specifics of why "sleeping with a child" is inappropriate? Just so we're all on the same page here and there's no room for equivocation.
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Offtopic comment, sorry:

No one can get ***** and keep quiet about it

Most woman who have been raped have never come forth with it, or has done it much later (20-30-40 years later), simply because of the prejudging of them, their own guilt and fear of it to happen again.
Thank goodness this is changing these days, but less than ten years ago, there was still talking about it was the woman's own fault because she was dressed in a special way.
Drugrapes makes is rather hard to come forth as well, because usually there is little or no memory about the incident, and the police cannot help in such a situation.

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And then there's the question, can anybody provide actual justification for the specifics of why "sleeping with a child" is inappropriate?

Nope. Given the comfort and security that comes with sleeping besides (or between) your parents, and the usual habits of coming into their room at night after a nightmare, and ask you can sleep with them...
goumas13
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`Off topic` why do you write the word *****, I didn't know that it was a inappropriate word.

Green12324
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I didn't know that it was a inappropriate word.


Ya, I don't know why it does that.

But anyway, let's get back on topic guys. If Michael did sleep with any children would it have been innapropriate, even if it was just to comfort them?
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Shouldent this topic be locked as too see hes dead and this is acually a very rude topic to bring up, if you think about it young kids play here they dont need to see this stuff.

Cenere
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Shouldent this topic be locked as too see hes dead and this is acually a very rude topic to bring up, if you think about it young kids play here they dont need to see this stuff.

If you dislike the topic, ignore it.
This was actually suggested by a mod to make, so it is legit. If you do not like what is written here, and the opinions, no one is forcing you to read them.

And rape is censored due to it being used as a curse, especially when it comes to comments towards the female mods/admins/members.
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