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ReadMatthew24
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Anyone ready for the return of the Nephilim?

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Blu3sBr0s
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Now I have a very strong objection to this statement, because by making this statement you totally misrepresent the message of Christianity. I am not ashamed to say that the crucifix, the instrument of the worst style of execution possible, is my symbol. We celebrate Jesus' death because it was the ultimate sacrifice and the ultimate expression of love. He bore it willingly, not forced by anyone, and tasted the sum total of pain and sin and death so that everyone might be saved. Therefore there is nothing morally wrong but everything morally right. And in fact we do dwell on his death and resurrection, because it is the absolute foundation of Christianity and the basis from which all Christian arguments extend.


You have every right to object. I understand I made a biased statement, which was of opinion not fact. As your statement is as well, since we are merely discussing how we feel. But I do have one issue with your statement.

He bore it willingly, not forced by anyone


Explain in more detail please What were the events surrounding his death? I was not under the impression he did not do this willingly.

Some of you guys made fun of me about the DNA evidence, so I'm going to talk about this from a scentific standpoint.


If you're going to use your DNA evidence. Why do you reject ours?
deserteagle
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If you're going to use your DNA evidence. Why do you reject ours?


Cause our disproves her point.
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Explain in more detail please What were the events surrounding his death? I was not under the impression he did not do this willingly.


Of course. I'll assume that you meant "I was under the impression he did not do this willingly" instead of your double negative which means that you think he did do it willingly. :P

We have several indicators that he willingly went to die. First of all, he allowed Judas to go betray him knowingly, saying, "What you are about to do, do quickly." Secondly, in his Gethsemane prayer, the words: "Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will" clearly state that although he was capable of doing what he wanted, he chose to override his own desire. Thirdly, Pilate did not see anything wrong with Jesus, and his wife had begged him from a bad dream not to condemn Jesus. The reason why he turned the matter over to the Jews was because Jesus "made no reply" to defend himself. If Jesus, the man who had baffled the Sadducees and Pharisees, had said one word to defend himself, he certainly could have convinced Pilate to free him. Fourth, along the way to Golgotha, at any time he could have, as the Devil had tempted him with, summoned his angels to come and rescue him. These are several of the ways Jesus could have ditched from his crucifixion, but he didn't.
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Friends, acquaintances, noble men and women,

I have been away the past couple of days due to illness in my family and I come back to the last thing I had hoped to see.

I truly do not understand why otherwise decent people refuse to simply do as I have asked several times on this thread and that is to stay on the topic of Genesis 6:4 and the Nephilim.

I have read every single entry since my own last post on page 18 and am sadly disappointed. Once again we have numerous people coming in out of the shadows it seems to argue points and make counter points that have nothing to do with the subject at hand.

The debate of Mormonism, Free Masons, Jehovahâs Witnesses, Et al is beyond anything that should be taking place on this thread. Please understand these are noble topics and some good points have been made, but the ad-hominem attacks that I saw against others have really brought a saddening situation to this thread.

If I can, I will have a Moderator remove all the past posts past the last one I made on page 18. I will ask they place them in a thread where they belong so the subjects which some have arbitrarily decided to discuss can continue their worthy topic where it belongs...on its own thread. This is not the place.

I have said this many times. I do not appreciate those whose only purpose is to derail the topic of this thread and cause rabbit trails which lead off into all different directions except the one in which this is thread was created in the first place.

I will say it again; I care about each of you. I believe the topics that you began to argue on this are worthy of discussion. However, you all well know this thread is not the place for them. As I said, I will approach the Moderators regarding the hopeful removal of the ad nauseam posts that have no place here and prayerfully begin to get this thread back on track. I thank all of you in advance for your understanding.

May you all find many blessings upon your households this day.

Respectfully,

RM24

Moabarmorgamer
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Sorry if I went offtopic Matthew. But I(sadly)did not take the time to read through the whole thread and read only the latest posts, and wanted to clear up the misconceptions about the Mormon religion.
Although, unfortunately, I don't think the mods will put our posts in a thread where they belong. At the most, the comments will be deleted.
Ah, well. See you later, I guess.

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Sorry if I went offtopic Matthew. But I(sadly)did not take the time to read through the whole thread and read only the latest posts, and wanted to clear up the misconceptions about the Mormon religion.
Although, unfortunately, I don't think the mods will put our posts in a thread where they belong. At the most, the comments will be deleted.
Ah, well. See you later, I guess.


Apology accepted my good friend and please note I do understand your predicament. I just want to keep this thread clear and clean from all rabbit trails which, as I witnessed by reading the past 15 or so pages, has caused some to become quite nasty.

Now, for those of you who have come back here to continue the former debate that does not belong here, I am going to re-post an entry I made back on Sept. 17. I will hopefully even provide the picture from the link for those who have no desire to truly look into this subject. My hope is that it will at the very least pique your interest in Genesis 6:4 and the return of the Nephilim.

Here is more evidence to prove the Genesis 6:4 account of Giants roaming the earth in Africa.

I have said this story is a sanitized version because to admit to the world that such giants did exist would surely cause the revisionists to rewrite their own revised versions of history.

I firmly believe that such evidence as this will only become larger and come even more urgent as we move closer to the return of Christ.

Hopefully the picture is below. If it does work, please note the scale of the giant stone hand axes to the human hand. Hopefully, this will provide some evidence to those who are skeptics.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/images/2009/09/090911134624.jpg

May we all know His Peace during these days that are ahead.

Respectfully,

RM24
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I'm in the same shoes as Moat. I was only defending what I know to be true. I didn't mean to push further down said bunny trail. I apologize for the inconvenience this has caused. Actually, I was thinking the same thing as I was posting earlier comments. Oops!

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...um...not to sound like a rude sunvagun but...

Rocks.

Rocks prove that giants existed. Rocks that might sorta kinda hint towards giant possibly existing if you squint at them while really drunk.

Alright, good enough for me.

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...um...not to sound like a rude sunvagun but...
Rocks.
Rocks prove that giants existed. Rocks that might sorta kinda hint towards giant possibly existing if you squint at them while really drunk.
Alright, good enough for me


Sadly Good Duke and Moderator Devoidless, it doesn't appear that you can't see the giant hand axes for said "rocks".

You are free to not see what you do not want to, others however take what is plainly before them and see what is there and from there begin to make connections, however small the dots from said connections may appear to be.

Glad to have you visit Good Sir and pray you won't be a stranger.

May you be blessed in a mighty way this day Sir Void.

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I'm in the same shoes as Moat. I was only defending what I know to be true. I didn't mean to push further down said bunny trail. I apologize for the inconvenience this has caused. Actually, I was thinking the same thing as I was posting earlier comments. Oops!


Good Knight Snakebite, it is my pleasure to make your acquaintance. Please know that I understand that just as Good Duke Moabarmorgamer felt the need to jump in, so did you. Your apology is also kindly welcomed and accepted. Thank you for your kindness as well as the kindness from Good Duke Moabarmorgamer.

May your day be richly blessed this day Good Sir...or is it Good Lady?

Respectfully,

RM24
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I read the article, and did not see any distinct not solid evidence towards them rally being giant axe heads.

It is far more likely that they were used to break of smaller chunks of material to make knives or arrow heads. Or even to teach younger generations how to make such tools. It is no simple task getting the material to a usable size. Getting the technique down on a larger object helps the mind and hands grow accustomed such tasks.
Also, note how the surrounding area had several typical sized axe heads and the ilk. What use would a giant have for such tools, yet alone be able to craft them?
Furthermore, no where in the article did it even imply they were actually used/usable.

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I read the article, and did not see any distinct not solid evidence towards them rally being giant axe heads


Good Duke Voidless, are you being serious? I am dead honest.

Assuming you truly mean the words you put in print let me begin with the title of the article: "Giant Stone-age Axes Found In African Lake Basin" The very title alone would give even the most rudimental reader the fact the story is about "Giant" axes.

Secondly you say:

It is far more likely that they were used to break of smaller chunks of material to make knives or arrow heads. Or even to teach younger generations how to make such tools. It is no simple task getting the material to a usable size. Getting the technique down on a larger object helps the mind and hands grow accustomed such tasks.


I find this quite interesting. You could be quite right in this far reaching assumption. But the remarkable thing is you dismiss the scientists own research in favor of your own seemingly baseless opinion which is based on...? I say "baseless" because your thoughts do not follow any pattern of the story being covered. It is like you are one of those who say, "Please, my mind is made up. Do not confuse me with the facts."

Perhaps you missed this sentence, "Their research was prompted by the discovery of the first of what are believed to be the worldâs largest stone tools on the bed of the lake." I would think that any common person who is being intellectually honest would admit that, yes indeed; science has discovered what up until now is "the world's largest stone tools".

That statement was immediately followed by a very provocative statement: "Although the first find was made in the 1990s, the discovery of four giant axes has not been scientifically reported until now." I personally find it interesting that the first findings were made nineteen years ago but are just now coming to light. I can't help but wonder why they have kept the public in the dark for almost a generation about this discovery.

Yet we are not through. The last sentence reads thusly, "Four giant stone hand axes, measuring over 30 cm long and of uncertain age, were recovered from the lake basin."

You said:

I read the article, and did not see any distinct not solid evidence towards them rally being giant axe heads.


How, Good Sir, did you truly miss this if indeed you did read the entire article? What I just quoted you was only from one paragraph.

Also, note how the surrounding area had several typical sized axe heads and the ilk.


I did indeed note not just that the area had "several typical sized axe heads and the ilk" but that "They have documented thousands of stone tools on the lake bed".
That was from the 3rd paragraph.

What use would a giant have for such tools, yet alone be able to craft them?


From paragraph 8, "Itâs likely that early human populations would have seen this area as a prolific hunting ground when food resources in the region were more concentrated than at times when the regional climate was wetter and food was more plentiful and the lake was full of water." Even Giants have to eat Good Sir. Did you truly read this substance and see the attached picture in the aritcle that shows just how large these axes are?

Furthermore, no where in the article did it even imply they were actually used/usable.


Again, I truly have to wonder if you truly read the article. I can see how one can easily skim over and try to pick up a main point here and there, but as they say, "The Devil lies in the details".

By pointing out these obvious flaws in your argument Good Sir, I seek to bring you no shame. I only seek to bring forth that which some would rather go away.

I want to seek the Truth. There are many who know the Truth yet will reject Truth for their pride is much too great to trade.

I pray that is not your case Good Knight Deviodless.

May you find peace and blessings are yours this day and throughout the coming weekend Kind Sir.

Thank you for hearing my rebuttal.

Respectfully,

RM24
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Dear friends,

Throughout this thread, I have given any who want the resources to begin their own personal journey for evidence to find &quotroof" or "Truth" about Genesis 6:4, The Nephilim and Giants. These same Giants that have been recorded all through history but have been removed from our modern history books. They question is why? It is because Truth is stranger than fiction?

In a word...yes.

Here is yet another opportunity to for those of you who are serious about this matter to take a good look and see what you think. I fully realize that some of what you will be reading (if you will take the time) will seem ridiculous. I once thought the same thing. That was around 25 years ago.

All I am seeking to do is provide for you evidence the vast majority of you never knew existed. Yes, I know many of you will dismiss any and all of what has been given as evidence in this thread without even giving it a truly intellectual and honest look. I don't blame you to be truthful. The Truth is scary for the one who does not know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.

As I have said many times, I care about each of you. If I am wrong then you haven't anything to worry about. However, if even a portion of what I seek to provide you is correct, then as I have said, you will indeed have to begin a paradigm shift in your thinking.

May you all be blessed this weekend.

Respecfully,

RM24

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The Truth is scary for the one who does not know Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.


Hm.. Even after reading all of this, I still don't see any reason to believe their is a savior for mankind, other then mankind itself. But that is just my opinion. I have never been able to believe in 'the lord' or Jesus Christ. I mean yes, he was probably a real person, but I don't think he is our messiah, I also still highly doubt if there is a god, but as I said, it is my opinion.

Just wanted to pop in my five cents.
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Dear Good Lady 117,

I fully understand your position. I myself had to face the same questions. I give you my word I am trying to get to you questions you left me on my profile last week.

I say that to say this: The subject of Jesus Christ is not a topic of discussion on this thread. It is of upmost importance and in need of debate but I am afraid that once again, if not stopped now, others will kick in with their five cents...or more likely two cents.

I mean no ill will toward anyone wanting to discuss Jesus Christ as Lord. I am just reiterating the subject of this thread is Genesis 6:4 and the Nephilim.

I pray you understand my words are not meant to undermine your thoughts Good Lady and I certainly mean you no harm for your post. I only desire to keep the thread on topic.

Thank you to all in advance for your understanding.

May you all have a blessed and peaceful weekend.

Respectfully,

RM24

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