I always thought wearing crosses was stupid. Christianity punctuates on the resurrection, but seems to forget that he did in actual tributes to him. I was always reluctant about wearing crosses for that reason . . . .
Gray please stop with the needless ridiculing. I have shown support for my belief, therefore, you can't say that I'm being closed-minded, unless you can show support against these fact.
So calling another religion satanic is showing support for your own? Also so long as ridicule is the only thing to get through that thick head of yours what else do you leave me with. I have shown evidence in support to my stance as have others with theirs you flat out refuse to even consider it.
I have also refuted the initial denial of a Mormon demonstrating them to be either mistaken or deliberately deceptive in their answers, which they later admit to in this most recent post.
I'm not speaking for or against the religion so I don't care. You want to hold up your religion as being oh so good and I say your own religion has been known for deceptive behavior as well. Possibly in far worse ways then the Mormons.
However I will apologize to any of the other Christians on this site I may have indirectly offended and I do realize that yielee's brand of Christianity does not reflect the whole.
You don't show any evidence whatsoever to demonstrate that I'm being closed-minded, yet you go on with your own baseless claims.
If you aren't Christian then you just don't know. Sorry to burst your bubble, but if you aren't saved, then you don't speak Truth.
Closed minded? That's such a copout. If people were atheists and then they saw the light that opened their minds to Christianity, you'd call them closed-minded.
If you were Christian, then you'd already know how the Bible doesn't support their stuff,
Rereading my last post I just wanted to add, If I was Christin I sure as hell wouldn't think they way you do and it seems clear that those here who are don't!
We don't. We are commanded to love one another regardless of personal beliefs and choices.
You know even though I have been hard on yielee there is part of me that kinda feels sorry for her. I mean chances are she was spoon fed this bs from almost the time she was born. Never really given the chance to think for herself and taught to hate and fear anything outside those religious walls.
I respect Mormons a lot too. Even though I don't believe in many of the things that they accept, the fact that they believe in the Holy Sprit, the saving grace of Jesus Christ, and that they live a holy life is enough to convince me of their salvation.
I just gained a lot of respect for Mormons. One of my fundamental moral problems with Christianity is the way it dwells on the death of Christ so much as to make a torture device their most powerful symbol.
Now I have a very strong objection to this statement, because by making this statement you totally misrepresent the message of Christianity. I am not ashamed to say that the crucifix, the instrument of the worst style of execution possible, is my symbol. We celebrate Jesus' death because it was the ultimate sacrifice and the ultimate expression of love. He bore it willingly, not forced by anyone, and tasted the sum total of pain and sin and death so that everyone might be saved. Therefore there is nothing morally wrong but everything morally right. And in fact we do dwell on his death and resurrection, because it is the absolute foundation of Christianity and the basis from which all Christian arguments extend.
Apologies for my rant, but that one comment was very repugnant to me.
Alright, I'm joining this argument. I live in a notoriously Mormon community, and although I'm not Mormon myself, I've learned enough from my peers, and indeed, most of my family, to know that many of you are grossly misinterpreting their beliefs. All I'm going to do is restate what the Mormons believe, because it seems to me that many of you misunderstand.
Now, being from a family of Mormons(but being an agnostic myself), I find the need to clear this up for everyone. Mormons believe the words of the prophet Joseph Smith, who told them the wisdom that is now the Book of Mormon and indeed, started the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. The Testimony of the prophet Smith, which is easily the most known and cited, unlike the Testimony of the Three Witnesses and of the Eight Witnesses, went somewhat like this: he was praying to God, when the angel Moroni appeared to him and told him of the Plates of Nephi; golden plates that the prophet Smith must find and spread the truth within those texts to his fellow people. The prophet Smith found said plates, but was not allowed to remove the sacred plates from their resting place, but instead was charged again by Moroni to return again at the same time each year to receive the wisdom of the Lord(A quote from the Testimony of Joseph Smith: âI made an attempt to take them out, but was forbidden by the messenger, and was again informed that the time for bringing them forth had not yet arrived, neither would it, until four years from that time; but he told me that I should come to that place precisely in one year from that time, and that he would there meet with me, and that I should continue to do so until the time should come for obtaining the plates. Accordingly, as I had been commanded, I went at the end of each year, and at each time I found the same messenger there, and received instruction and intelligence from him at each of our interviews, respecting what the Lord was going to do, and how and in what manner His kingdom was to be conducted in the last days." . And Smith was also instructed to protect said plates. Each year, so it went. The prophet Smith shared with the people the wisdom that the Lord God and the angel Moroni had shared with him. Then, the angel Moroni came again, and the prophet Joseph Smith gave him the plates; and henceforth the angel Moroni kept them, even to this day. That is what Mormons believe. Now, I just posted this because I haven't actually seen a recap yet,and I think that some of you might have misinterpreted their beliefs. I'm out now, I think I've cleared it up, but any questions, feel free.
Yes, well, most of my family is Mormon, and I feel thus inclined. Not because I believe it; because it's stupid to base your debate on false facts about the Mormon religion. Lol.
I go away for two days and this stops being a debate about the nephilephlem or whatever their angelbutts are called.
And correct me if im wrong, but is this yet another case of two parts of the same religion fighting against each other. *sigh* We need luvving not shovin... :P
Some of you guys made fun of me about the DNA evidence, so I'm going to talk about this from a scentific standpoint.
This is a typed letter from the Smithsonian Institute, rejecting the Book of Mormon's history on multiple accounts, tools, animals, etc, things that were introduced by the Europeans.: http://www.irr.org/mit/smithsonian.html
This is a summary of a Mormon who did genetic studies and concluded that the Indians were from Asia, not Israel, as the Book of Mormon claims. http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds_migr1b.htm
And this is an updated study, 2008, on the genetics, concluding that the North American Indians were from Asia. It uses mitochondriar DNA, whatever, it just means that the Jews didn't ever sail over here like the Book of Mormon said they did. PDF DNA studies on document: http://tinyurl.com/ya2t3c7
This all means that the Book of Mormon is a false doctrine by a false prophet.
