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VoteSocialist
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Fifty million Americans are either without health care coverage or have sub-standard insurance! As all our Canadian friends know, nationalized health care and recognizing health care as a basic human right has been very successful. Cuba, which is basically a third world country thanks to trade embargoes, has a life expectancy as great as the United States'.

We have tried putting health insurance in the hands of the private sector, and it just doesn't work as well as it should! I vote that we should make health care a human right and get rid of private health insurance companies for the good of the American people! All these companies ever do while privatized is rip people off and not help most under-ensured folks anyway!

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thisisnotanalt
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I think there should still be private sector health insurance for those that want/need a plan better than what the government provides, but that there should be a government option so all people can have some sort of healthcare.

Zirsen
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i agree with votesocialist hes right i vote to make health care a human right!

Graham
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universal health care means you have someone telling you if your sick enough to get help, you don't get to choose your doctor, the doctors don't actually care because there is no competition to see who's the best, and old people are often going to be cut from it and made to die

sounds terrific

TSL3_needed
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No. No, no, no.

Alt has it right. There should still be private insurance for those who want it. I.e. the 250,000,000 who like their insurance as it is.

Trust me, they implement it, we will be lucky to have a life expectancy of above 65.

goumas13
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The very poor persons when they get sick may die, they should have some sort of health insurance or at least pay way less than the others when they have to go to a private doctor.

IPwnU2Day
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As all our Canadian friends know, nationalized health care and recognizing health care as a basic human right has been very successful


No it hasn't...

In places with nationalized helth care most people wait months just to see a physician or a consultant. Then let's not forget how some people have to wait months and years to get surgeries. While it is anice thought it isn't plausible.

Then let's think about the 35-50 million people without it. Ok so they get health care, great. But now people who buy their health care just got their price to go up becuase of that. Now they can no longer afford health care through the private sector and are forced to go with the governments plan. People say that both options can be available, the fact is though that they can't coexist. It doesn't work that way as much as we would like it to.

And don't post saying that "My (insert relative here) had to wait months to have surgery! Health care is terrible here!"

Two things.

1. They were most likely on a transplant waiting list and they had to wait for a viable donor. If they had gotten surgery without a match they would have most likely died on the table.

2. How would having more people with health care fix that problem.

Then, let us not forget who is going to be paying for this. There isn't such a thing as free. What is going to happen is the American taxpayer is going to get their taxes increased again. Would you like to have more ofyour money taken away every year so that some people can have healthcare and then everyone suffers because now theirs isn't as good.

Even if you answer yes to the above, not only you are blissfully unaware, but also forgetting that it isn't possible at this time. We are already trillions in debt and you would want to spend another couple TRILLION every year!

It's a nice thought I'll give you that, but it isn't right for everyone. In this case, you have t think about the greater good.
donpiet
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Then let's think about the 35-50 million people without it. Ok so they get health care, great. But now people who buy their health care just got their price to go up becuase of that. Now they can no longer afford health care through the private sector and are forced to go with the governments plan. People say that both options can be available, the fact is though that they can't coexist. It doesn't work that way as much as we would like it to.


private and public can coexist, very well in fact. it happens in a lot of european countries.
you can even have public basic healthcare and buy extra insurances privately.

everyone gets what he wants or needs.

and btw. we do not wait months for seeing a physican. i get most apointments within 24hours. a week if its a specialist(dentist for example) or right away when its urgent.


the big problem with the american system is, that people who are already ill have almost no chance of getting an insurance, because they will be rejected. that is the big problem to be fixed
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Everyone should have healthcare available. The people who need health care the most are often the people who can't afford it, and that's just not right. So the government needs to have a plan for every American citizen, no matter the income. However, there should still be privatized health insurance plans for the people who want and can afford it. However, if those start increasing the wait time for people without privatized, privatized should be cut back. The rich would be restricting the medium and working classes if that happened.

IPwnU2Day
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private and public can coexist, very well in fact. it happens in a lot of european countries.
you can even have public basic healthcare and buy extra insurances privately.


In Canado though, who do you know that pays for Health insurance?

However, if those start increasing the wait time for people without privatized, privatized should be cut back. The rich would be restricting the medium and working classes if that happened.


So people whe pay for their health care shouldn't get as good a treatment?
Green12324
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So people whe pay for their health care shouldn't get as good a treatment?


They shouldn't get such good treatment that everyone elses sucks.
VoteSocialist
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universal health care means you have someone telling you if your sick enough to get help, you don't get to choose your doctor, the doctors don't actually care because there is no competition to see who's the best, and old people are often going to be cut from it and made to die


It doesn't have to be like that, and it certianly won't be with an American population filled with bleeding heart activists ( something like yours truely. ).

And it's easy to say that if your are one of the fewer and fewer people that actually has decent coverage...


Trust me, they implement it, we will be lucky to have a life expectancy of above 65.


That didn't happen in Cuba, Canada, Sweden, Ireland, pretty much most of Europe and China like you think it did.
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You apparently haven't read the bill very well.

donpiet
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You apparently haven't read the bill very well.


the bill is not passed yet. so there is still time for changes. i think it is better to find a good compromise between both systems than to just reject all reform projects.
VoteSocialist
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Cuba is now a third world country and a dictatorship! Yet their life expectancy rivals that of the United States, which doesn't have a state-planned health care system! Doesn't that say anything to you about this private insurance system? I know it sounds socialist but a lot of Democrats and even a few Republicans in the United States think that health care should be a basic human right, and I would have to agree with them!

donpiet
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Yet their life expectancy rivals that of the United States, which doesn't have a state-planned health care system


i would really argue that life expectancy is only based upon the health care system.

but if you want to take this, than america should copy japans health care system. they life the longest
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