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Zep0Q
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Before you comment, please, read everything, I'm sure that after you read, your life will be changed.

In the following sentences I will explain how stupid is to not believe in God, and I'm gonna use logical thinking and science.

Either "Everything came from nothing", like the "big bang" , witch is impossible, because nothing can only make nothing, or "Something always existed and made everything" like God.

God made this world, by this world I mean time, space and matter, so if God made this world, He lives outside of time, space and matter which means He's eternal, omnipresent and all-powerful.

For those of you who say that the big bang made the universe, I have this sentence: Nothing is the cause of it's own existence.
This doesn't apply to God, because if He doesn't lives in time, He didn't had a beginning, He always existed.
If the universe always was then, we could not reach this moment in time, if something is trapped in time, that means it had a beginning.

Every change that happens everywhere in the universe it's more closer to destruction.
Second law of thermodynamics:
The energy available after a chemical reaction is less than that at the beginning of a reaction; energy conversions are not 100% efficient.
The disorder in the universe always increases.
With each change in form, some energy is degraded to a less useful form and given off into the surroundings, usually as low-quality heat.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics is commonly known as the Law of Increased Entropy. While quantity remains the same, the quality of matter/energy deteriorates gradually over time. How so? Usable energy is inevitably used for productivity, growth and repair. In the process, usable energy is converted into unusable energy. Thus, usable energy is irretrievably lost in the form of unusable energy.

If God didn't made life, then how did non-life, became life?
As I said, nothing is the cause of it's own existence, life comes from life, your parents were alive when they made you.

Did you knew that a 2x2 inch capacity full with someone's DNA can sustain 6000000000 times more information then a 140 GB hard drive?
I guess you didn't knew, did evolution made your DNA?
God made your DNA, of course!

What about the monkeys?
If we evolved from them, why they stayed as they are? they took a long coffee break, I guess.

What about the fossils?
The scientists say that it takes millions and billions and zilions of years for living tissue to become a fossil, well here's 2 pictures with a cawboy's leg fossilized, enjoy
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http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-outside.jpg
2#
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-inside.jpg

After all I have showed you, now I'm gonna say that you should accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, because He died for our sins and He didn't ask something from us, just to love our brothers and sisters and to believe in Him.
Anyone can ask for forgiveness as long as he or she is not dead, no matter what they did God can forgive them, if they repent from theirs sins and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
God is mercyful and just, His justice is not denyed by His mercy and this is the reason why God sent His Son Jesus to pay the price for us.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

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yielee
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yeah, there was a starting point, but there never was a time when there was nothing. but something was the source that started it all. why can't it be alive like us?

quickshift
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You rock man, Great thread and Bless ya man

thisisnotanalt
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You rock man,


Compliment . . . .

Bless ya man


Politeness . . . .

Great thread


Guh . . .wtf?

He was trying to be smart, but he ended up flaming and looking and being idiotic. This is not a great thread by any means, sir, unless you think flaming non-Christians is great.
Carnage1995
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I believe in god, although science proves a lot of stuff that god supposedly did.

Kody
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Not to "flame non Christians", but isn't ignorantly rejecting and professing a faith incorrect simply because you don't want to believe it despite all the evidence in favor of it kind of "flaming" it? Technically the very presence of atheists is "flaming" Christianity.

thisisnotanalt
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Not to "flame non Christians", but isn't ignorantly rejecting and professing a faith incorrect simply because you don't want to believe it despite all the evidence in favor of it kind of "flaming" it? Technically the very presence of atheists is "flaming" Christianity.


1) You're assuming that the rejection is ignorant.

2) Holding an opinion is not offensive inherently - keep in mind that your argument reciprocates. Technically by your logic, Christians would be flaming every other religion/stance too.

3) Your definition of flaming is wrong. It's insulting people, not simply rejecting something.

4) Calling something incorrect isn't insulting it per se.

5) There is scientific evidence for both sides, but far more on the side opposing Christianity.

Your definition of 'flaming' was wrong, and the rest of your argument totally fell apart from there.
Kody
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I'm aware of the definition of flaming, and to me insulting a religion is pretty much flaming it. I've talked-even befriended-a few atheists, and I have not met a single one that simply rejects it, they all insult it and crusade to destroy it. Also, Christianity does not flame other religions. We simply reject it as untrue, from a scientific as well as theological viewpoint. We do not condemn the people or work to destroy the religion as atheists do.

Also, please enlighten me, when has there ever been more scientific evidence opposing Christianity than for?

TSL3_needed
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Also, please enlighten me, when has there ever been more scientific evidence opposing Christianity than for?


Since about. . . since people gave up religion as absolute truth and investigated other possibilities. About 150 years. Since the time of Darwin. In fact Christianity is probably far more the type of 'flaming' than atheism. Remember the crusades? Or the Spanish inquisition? They slaughtered millions because they didn't believe in Christianity.
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I've talked-even befriended-a few atheists, and I have not met a single one that simply rejects it, they all insult it and crusade to destroy it.


Um I'm atheist, and I respect other peoples religion so there you have it. I don't try and destroy it.. that would be highly impossible.
Kody
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@TSL3 And yet in the years since Darwin this hypothesis has remained just that-an unconfirmed hypothesis. Christian scientists have still been making great advances in linking the univers to an intelligent designer. The Spanish inquisition was a cult. Just because the Crusades had some greedy Catholics (no offence to Catholics here) and some loot-hungry farmers does not mean it represents Christianity.

@sour Then you're the first, congratulations. My point is, a vast majority of atheists go beyond simply rejecting it.

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@TSL3 And yet in the years since Darwin this hypothesis has remained just that-an unconfirmed hypothesis. Christian scientists have still been making great advances in linking the univers to an intelligent designer. The Spanish inquisition was a cult. Just because the Crusades had some greedy Catholics (no offence to Catholics here) and some loot-hungry farmers does not mean it represents Christianity.


It actually does quite well. Also, I would like indefinitive proof that Christianity is right? Finally, it's a theory. You cannot just prove something like that. But go out and ask just about 90% of pHD scientists and they'll give you the same answer: Evolution is a 99% probable theory.
thisisnotanalt
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I've talked-even befriended-a few atheists,


Argument fall-apart point. Your personal gathering are not reliable data.

Also, Christianity does not flame other religions


Did you even read my post? I was drawing a parallel, not making an independent statement. By the logic present in your first post, the existence of Christianity would also be flaming other ideologies.

I'm aware of the definition of flaming, and to me insulting a religion is pretty much flaming it.


You didn't understand my argument properly . . . .

from a scientific as well as theological viewpoint. We do not condemn the people or work to destroy the religion as atheists do.


. . .please back youself up on the scientific part of that.

Also, the the 2nd sentence is not representative of all of Christianity, just what you've seen of it. So that point is also invalid.

Also, please enlighten me, when has there ever been more scientific evidence opposing Christianity than for?


Since Christianity was invented . . . .

You need to provide some scientific evidence for Christianity. Really . . . .

Unless you can back yourself up (you have the burden of proof on ya right now, buddy).

Also, I never said anything about scientific evidence refuting Christianity, just scientific evidence on the opposite side of the dilemma.

And so, you must provide backup, or your points are simply opinions presented to appear as an argument.
thisisnotanalt
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@sour Then you're the first, congratulations. My point is, a vast majority of atheists go beyond simply rejecting it.


Vast majority . . . that you're acquainted with.
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@sour Then you're the first, congratulations. My point is, a vast majority of atheists go beyond simply rejecting it.


I forgot this part.

You make a personal statement? As I have personally experienced (and Alt explained) these are fail. You cannot take personal expierience and apply it in a debate. That is rule number 3. Such conclusions lead to prejudice, something that is not so good in a debate.

Also, you're going to lose your argument. You have two of some of the best debaters on AG against you XD

I love these moments XD
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I'm aware of the definition of flaming, and to me insulting a religion is pretty much flaming it. I've talked-even befriended-a few atheists, and I have not met a single one that simply rejects it, they all insult it and crusade to destroy it. Also, Christianity does not flame other religions. We simply reject it as untrue, from a scientific as well as theological viewpoint. We do not condemn the people or work to destroy the religion as atheists do.

Also, please enlighten me, when has there ever been more scientific evidence opposing Christianity than for?


*bites tongue to keep from laughing*
Ok, I'll break this down.

I have not met a single one that simply rejects it, they all insult it and crusade to destroy it

Now you've met at least one. I'm an atheist, and I don't flame. Heck, if asked, Christians are flamers. Look at what Zep said to the atheists. They're using facts. He's using insults. And I, for one, respect other religions. I just get mad when people try to convert me with utterly incorrect facts, then insult you when you poke holes in them. I do not "crusade to destroy" Christianity. Almost all my real life friends are Christian. And we don't try to convert each other. Well, I'm not an atheist, actually. I'm an agnostic, so I could stay out of this firefight if I wanted. But you've insulted my friend.
Also, Christianity does not flame other religions. We simply reject it as untrue

Have you read a single page of this thread? How is what Zep has been saying not flaming? I'm not saying that extends to all Christians, but you can't say that, because it's incorrect. And you don't respond when we reply.
Also, please enlighten me, when has there ever been more scientific evidence opposing Christianity than for?

I'd be glad to enlighten you. There has never been any actual evidence to prove or disprove atheism or Christianity. Why? Because Christianity centers on faith, yet it cannot be entirely proven wrong. Atheism centers on scientific facts, yet what do we know of the universe? If you take a step back, we know almost nothing. Once we thought the world was flat, and were as sure as we are now that we are right. I think Socrates said it best:
"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing"
So let's just all agree that none of us can prove anything, walk away, and let people believe what they want. Eh?
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