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Zep0Q
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Before you comment, please, read everything, I'm sure that after you read, your life will be changed.

In the following sentences I will explain how stupid is to not believe in God, and I'm gonna use logical thinking and science.

Either "Everything came from nothing", like the "big bang" , witch is impossible, because nothing can only make nothing, or "Something always existed and made everything" like God.

God made this world, by this world I mean time, space and matter, so if God made this world, He lives outside of time, space and matter which means He's eternal, omnipresent and all-powerful.

For those of you who say that the big bang made the universe, I have this sentence: Nothing is the cause of it's own existence.
This doesn't apply to God, because if He doesn't lives in time, He didn't had a beginning, He always existed.
If the universe always was then, we could not reach this moment in time, if something is trapped in time, that means it had a beginning.

Every change that happens everywhere in the universe it's more closer to destruction.
Second law of thermodynamics:
The energy available after a chemical reaction is less than that at the beginning of a reaction; energy conversions are not 100% efficient.
The disorder in the universe always increases.
With each change in form, some energy is degraded to a less useful form and given off into the surroundings, usually as low-quality heat.
The Second Law of Thermodynamics is commonly known as the Law of Increased Entropy. While quantity remains the same, the quality of matter/energy deteriorates gradually over time. How so? Usable energy is inevitably used for productivity, growth and repair. In the process, usable energy is converted into unusable energy. Thus, usable energy is irretrievably lost in the form of unusable energy.

If God didn't made life, then how did non-life, became life?
As I said, nothing is the cause of it's own existence, life comes from life, your parents were alive when they made you.

Did you knew that a 2x2 inch capacity full with someone's DNA can sustain 6000000000 times more information then a 140 GB hard drive?
I guess you didn't knew, did evolution made your DNA?
God made your DNA, of course!

What about the monkeys?
If we evolved from them, why they stayed as they are? they took a long coffee break, I guess.

What about the fossils?
The scientists say that it takes millions and billions and zilions of years for living tissue to become a fossil, well here's 2 pictures with a cawboy's leg fossilized, enjoy
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http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-outside.jpg
2#
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/limestone-cowboy-boot-inside.jpg

After all I have showed you, now I'm gonna say that you should accept Jesus as your Lord and Saviour, because He died for our sins and He didn't ask something from us, just to love our brothers and sisters and to believe in Him.
Anyone can ask for forgiveness as long as he or she is not dead, no matter what they did God can forgive them, if they repent from theirs sins and accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
God is mercyful and just, His justice is not denyed by His mercy and this is the reason why God sent His Son Jesus to pay the price for us.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."

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quakingphear
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"The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing"
So let's just all agree that none of us can prove anything, walk away, and let people believe what they want. Eh?


Woah, you just summed up what I was thinking when I decided to stop posting on these debates. A lot of us make really good points, but in the end whatever we say doesn't actually prove anything, just that some folks on AG are better at debating. I think I've won a few debates on AG, but I still don't think I've actually made anyone think any differently than they used to. I'd walk away but the debating is just so fun...
Moabarmorgamer
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I'm an atheist

*headesk*. Mistake people. I'm an agnostic, not an atheist. Dunno why I typed that.
And...I was quoted? *happy dance*
Graham
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I have this sentence: Nothing is the cause of it's own existence.


M-theory, parallel universes, 11th dimension, string theory, why gravity is so weak. that scichannel show helped explain the big bang.

i'm agnostic purely because i dislike dictatorships. i don't like the idea that there's only 1 deity with power over everything.
Kody
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But go out and ask just about 90% of pHD scientists
"90%" of pHD scientists also say that the earth is getting warmer, without a shred of evidence that proves to. "90%" of scientists also said that the world was flat, everything rotated around the earth, and that maggots could appear from a slab of beef sitting in the open...
You need to provide some scientific evidence for Christianity. Really . . . .

Show me some scientific evidence for evolution.
I just get mad when people try to convert me with utterly incorrect facts, then insult you when you poke holes in them.

1. And how are they utterly incorrect? Examples please.
2. You don't think we get ticked when assaulted with atheistic/evolutionist beliefs all for the sake of debunking our faith?
3. If a Christian has wronged you then he needs to get right with you and with God, like the cases of the Crusades and Inquisition, one (or a group of) Christians don't necessarily represent the rest of us. If you don't mind I'll use personal experience again saying that some atheists are good people, and not all try to destroy Christianity, but you cannot deny that there are some atheists that have a passion against believers. That doesn't mean that all atheists are like that. The same is with Christianity.
If you take a step back, we know almost nothing.

Does that deter humans from persuing science? Of course not. And as of yet Christianity has a solid foundation and I have not yet encountered even close to enough evidence to prove the Bible wrong, so I'm going to believe in it. And why do you think the universe is so huge and mysterious and we can never understand it? Well, maybe someone intelligent designed it that way.

Honestly I think it takes more faith to believe that the universe just coincidentally happened than it takes to believe an intelligent designer crafted it.
TSL3_needed
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Show me some scientific evidence for evolution.


At least I can admit that there is no 100% viable proof. You, however, wouldn't admit the bible was incorrect on just one passage if I was pulling your fingernails out. Chauvinist*. . . .

*Thanks NoName for expanding my vocabulary. Also, definition: biased devotion to any group, attitude, or cause.
Moabarmorgamer
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Huh. I guess I was just proven wrong =[. I thought chauvinism was thinking men were better than women, or vice versa.
We beat down that guy. Although for a first argument, it was pretty dang good. But...
"True wisdom is in knowing you know nothing"-Socrates.
My life quote.

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Huh. I guess I was just proven wrong =[. I thought chauvinism was thinking men were better than women, or vice versa.


No, you're right. That's just another meaning. Technically the true meaning.

Male chauvinism is what you're thinking of :P
Kody
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You, however, wouldn't admit the bible was incorrect on just one passage if I was pulling your fingernails out.
Name one passage. Like I've been saying, give me some examples. Every time I ask for an example so I can counter it, you evade it. Just come right out and say it.
Also, definition: biased devotion to any group, attitude, or cause.
Biased? The Bible has been tried for thousands of years, and it is still rock solid. Evolutionism/atheism has been established for a few hundred years and already it's full of holes and makes no sense. Who's the one who's biased?
We beat down that guy.
Me or Zep?
Drace
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Christianity is wrong for the same reason as the faith in chickens creating the world is.

Drace
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Of course not. And as of yet Christianity has a solid foundation and I have not yet encountered even close to enough evidence to prove the Bible wrong,


Just for the fun of it, since when do snakes talk, and how did Noah fit soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many animals on a single boat.
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Biased? The Bible has been tried for thousands of years, and it is still rock solid. Evolutionism/atheism has been established for a few hundred years and already it's full of holes and makes no sense. Who's the one who's biased?


You just proved me right. There is not one bit of evidence saying the bible is right or wrong. It's a storybook, nothing more. With a few historical significances, but those are heavily exaggerated. Evolutionism makes perfect sense. Sorta. Just a few flaws, but everything does. The bible, makes no sense. While God did create the universe, he did not create anything more than that. All of it was nature.

Name one passage.


I'll name two highly impossible:

Jonah (?) and the Whale
Genesis

With a few others.
Mike412
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Biased? The Bible has been tried for thousands of years, and it is still rock solid


Man, I was really hoping my first post back wouldn't be another religious one...
Oh well, its still fun
1. Its not rock solid. Not by a long shot. Problem is, people are raised to believe its rock solid. So while we've got just as many holes in Christianity as in Atheism and Evolution, the Christians are unwilling to accept those holes (Pretty much what has been happening here...)
2. So, so many things in the bible are almost supernatural, and if you tried talking about them on the street to people who had never heard of Christianity, they wouldn't believe a single thing you said. If it was rock solid as you said, it should be able to stand completely by itself, and it wouldn't be called a "belief" or "faith".
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and it wouldn't be called a "belief" or "faith".


Hehehe, the first time I will ever agree with you.

If it was rock solid, it would be called a scientific fact, if it made sense it would be a theory, if it makes no sense, it's a belief (religion included -.-).
Mike412
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:P
Looking forward to a few of those good fights with you again. Hate them at the time, but afterwords they're fun.

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There are still atheists who don't believe in evolution


I have yet to meet one. Can you introduce me?
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