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Bard

Posted July 12, '11 12:20pm UTC

Yos's unit tier thing is wrong. When we were investigating communist the amount of resources we got from units is this

Marine 1
Roman 2
Meditec 2
Scout 3
Sniper 3
Far sniper 3
Chronite tank 4
S-marine 6
Groditz 7
Phantom 7
Mk2 7
Hover 10
Spider 10
Mod Phantom 12
Mod Sakata 12
BQ 15
Gladiator 15
Saint 15
Sphinx 15
Pride 15

This explains a lot. Like how tier 1 and 3 are supposibly balanced and why tier 2 post is cheaper. Though we would all probably agree that a pride is not worthy of being up there with the BQ and Sphinx.

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SoymasterYos

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Nomad

Posted July 12, '11 12:47pm UTC

Those are the unit values, which determine the resources gain for killing units as communist, but what units did you use to do the killing. I'm pretty sure letting a Marine kill something will give more resources and a Sniper.

About he Unit Tier System, you need to understand how the system determines the placement of each unit. I don't want to go into this right now.

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Peggster

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Nomad

Posted July 12, '11 2:18pm UTC

Yos, you need to lighten up and not say such things like you are the best and other people are noobs. I mean, you called me an 'EQ noob' then when I won you put it down to me 'meta gaming' even though I was using my standard build.:L

I thought Communist gives resources 75% of the time when killing units (Give or take, not sure what the exact value is) regardless of what unit kills what.

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Pacmanateyou

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Nomad

Posted July 12, '11 4:15pm UTC

Also I might add that a bug no one seems to mention,
the communist kills you get only give you up to 100 influence not the standard 200...

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SoymasterYos

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Nomad

Posted July 12, '11 4:30pm UTC

It was mentioned many times in the topic with the patch notes bro. Research before you post. I am pretty sure it has been mention at least 3 times in the GCD.

I actaully know where the is in the code.

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SoymasterYos

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Nomad

Posted July 12, '11 5:40pm UTC

It is not limited because it can go above 100, but gets reset to 100 when it kills a unit and receives influence.

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SoymasterYos

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Nomad

Posted July 12, '11 6:28pm UTC

The post everyone has been waiting for is almost finnally here! (Here is a Preview)

SoymasterYos's Balance Suggestions

Grodtiz
This unit is underused. It has had so much potential, but it's current speed renders this unit rather useless. The plan is to switch it's current speed with the Black Queen. The health buff is intended to boast this unit's role within the meta-game. The goal is to make this a necessary unit to have in a army like the Sakata Mk-II. The Cost change is a to punish players who think it will be okay to mass this unit by slowing down the Barracks Upgrade. This unit should play many roles in the future of Colony.

-Health increase from 340 to 425.
-Speed increase from .8 pixels per frame to 1 pixel per frame.
-Cost change from 5/16/0/0 to 5/10/6/0.

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Peggster

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Nomad

Posted July 12, '11 8:06pm UTC

Are you suggesting that groditz should require energy to be created? If so, this would make progressing to tier 3 very hard whilst creating grodz. I use them from time to time as they are a great counter against saints but the only problem is most 1v1's and what not are on normal setting and most people who go saint will have a spec ops up at some point which means bye bye grodz.:L

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40P2P

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Nomad

Posted July 12, '11 8:11pm UTC

yea i think the price should stay the same just simply moving faster. after all if its so underused then there is no harm giving it some perks.

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SoymasterYos

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Nomad

Posted July 12, '11 8:20pm UTC

I have many more suggestions that will make this work. I know Grodtiz counter Saints but they are to slow to do anything. They are also a counter to the Black Queen, which is why the plan has them taking 2 shots from the Queen. The price will make sense later.

Can someone get through to Pac. he refuses to except everything that has been talked about for the last 5 months. I know he has reasons to hate me but I have better things to do than to 1v1 him after being up for 23 hours. I would really appreciate the help.

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Shepherd

Posted July 12, '11 9:51pm UTC

i bow to the mighty power OF GLADIATORS.... THE GLAD WILL RISE HIGHER THAN EVER BEFORE. AND NEVER FALL. fear the gladiator warriors of Sparta. Rise my sons and strike your enemy's to the ground....

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Pacmanateyou

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Nomad

Posted July 13, '11 3:33am UTC

Today ladies and gentlemen, a war was declared on sauce by the three top existing clans, FYCN, PWP, and WPN....
The instigator? XxDahlxX
As of today the score is 1-0 in Favor of the Alliance

Pacmanateyou Defeated XxDahlxX there

The score: Alliance 1
Sauce 0

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XXDahlXX

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Nomad

Posted July 13, '11 4:37am UTC

You got my name wrong pac and you declared war on us and i didnt instigate i bragged a little about the members of sauce and thats it they then decided to declare war on us but whatever tickles your peach

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XXDahlXX

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Nomad

Posted July 13, '11 4:39am UTC

to add onto what i just said i also said sauce was better but never had the intention of declaring war

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DracoTheDragon

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Nomad

Posted July 13, '11 7:40am UTC

Oh lord im so behind......

There are no Government Tiers.

Well right now there are because of imbalances

dude you just contradicted yourself. If you really only have one hour of sleep and it takes you 2 hours 36 minutes to write something that takes me 20 minutes get some sleep. Video games aren't your life. At least i hope so

correct... but the way mon is being played at the momment, you should never be in a pin

As a result of 3 money income monarchy is not fast enough to avoid a pin. Nevertheless fight it directly (assuming equal levels of high level skill are used). However if i am wrong. Go ahead and give me an example

plz explain how missile dodge would work? case the way im thinking this sounds a lil hard..

1). It is hard without practice
2) missile dodge works like this. Take a fast unit (mod sakata) and take a cheap unit (romans/marines). Spam the cheap unit. Have both units on advance and observe the opponents spec ops. The moment you see thier production load really fast is when you click your mod sakata and fall back.

Very do-able however not many people have this level of micro

or we could give it 2 life regain technologys

Now that i think more about it i don't think the regen would do much. For most of the matches im in the mod doesn't die from constant low attacks. The mod always dies from 1 coordinated attack.

should stop at the range of a sniper

That would be OP against forge, however that would probably work well agaisnt post.

Good idea, but i dont think it should be longer than a sniper, probably Equal range with a hover tank. Imagine a sakata with that fast of an attack destroying 5 hovers with micro. Thats insane

i dont think realy that we need to kill mon, bringing other govs up would be better

You cant bring up fascists without bringing up mon, due to its current resource value(3233)

i think the biggest problem with fac is that has lil money. instead of switching the recourse gains with commie

Thats what happens if you swap the resource gains (you kill for money)

commie. right, first things first fix the influ cap glitch. second gain from splash needs to be added

Agreed

being an attacking gov, they should gain +20% resource with field control as well as extra influ.

I believe this may make commi a bit OP. If we remove the 20% income plus limit this to the 3 influence zone this should be fine

50% speed

HOLY...... Thats insane..... commi is turning OP

micro becomes vital

I like how your making micro a key thing for this gov but those numbers are extreme

or commie could be come a 2v2s weapon.

Those ideas sound good. However lets limit those abilities :/

I think this unit tier system is pretty absurd

agreed

Being able to combine the weaker 37% of the game to play at equal terms with 100% of the game

please... dont flatter yourself....

Maybe a Health and Speed increase would do the trick. I still don't know.

Ill support that

About he Unit Tier System, you need to understand how the system determines the placement of each unit. I don't want to go into this right now.

then dont mention it.... Besides what are you afraid of? the flaws in your ideas? just say it and we will modify it

I thought Communist gives resources 75% of the time when killing units (Give or take, not sure what the exact value is) regardless of what unit kills what.

You are correct about the 2nd part. The unit that kills does not affect the resource gain.

However resources gained is dependent on the unit. Each unit is set a specific value. There is no relation to its resource/tier/use/ etc.

the communist kills you get only give you up to 100 influence not the standard 200...

we did mention this a few times but the forums are beginning to forget :/

I thought Communist gives resources 75% of the time when killing units (Give or take, not sure what the exact value is) regardless of what unit kills what.

ive never seen it mentioned here, ive always noticed it but could never understand it...

what he means is that. If communist is currently at 150 influence and kills.... And that kill causes you to gain influence, you automatically reset back to 100.

If so, this would make progressing to tier 3 very hard whilst creating grodz

This may actually be a good thing. Since tier 2 forge and post are balanced and tier 3 forge is weaker than tier 3 post, this may continue balancing things out.

This makes groditz mirror the phantom. 23 money does halt the upgrade process

The score: Alliance 1
Sauce 0

Sweet theres a war? this should be fun.....

Oh lord im so behind......\r\n\r\n[quote]There are no Government Tiers.[/quote]\r\n[quote]Well right now there are because of imbalances[/quote]\r\n\r\ndude you just contradicted yourself. If you really only have one hour of sleep and it takes you 2 hours 36 minutes to write something that takes me 20 minutes get some sleep. Video games aren't your life. At least i hope so\r\n\r\n[quote]correct... but the way mon is being played at the momment, you should never be in a pin[/quote]\r\n\r\nAs a result of 3 money income monarchy is not fast enough to avoid a pin. Nevertheless fight it directly (assuming equal levels of high level skill are used). However if i am wrong. Go ahead and give me an example\r\n\r\n[quote]plz explain how missile dodge would work? case the way im thinking this sounds a lil hard..[/quote]\r\n\r\n1). It is hard without practice\r\n2) missile dodge works like this. Take a fast unit (mod sakata) and take a cheap unit (romans/marines). Spam the cheap unit. Have both units on advance and observe the opponents spec ops. The moment you see thier production load really fast is when you click your mod sakata and fall back. \r\n\r\nVery do-able however not many people have this level of micro\r\n\r\n[quote]or we could give it 2 life regain technologys[/quote]\r\n\r\nNow that i think more about it i don't think the regen would do much. For most of the matches im in the mod doesn't die from constant low attacks. The mod always dies from 1 coordinated attack. \r\n\r\n[quote]should stop at the range of a sniper[/quote]\r\n\r\nThat would be OP against forge, however that would probably work well agaisnt post.\r\n\r\nGood idea, but i dont think it should be longer than a sniper, probably Equal range with a hover tank. Imagine a sakata with that fast of an attack destroying 5 hovers with micro. Thats insane\r\n\r\n[quote]i dont think realy that we need to kill mon, bringing other govs up would be better[/quote]\r\n\r\nYou cant bring up fascists without bringing up mon, due to its current resource value(3233)\r\n\r\n[quote]i think the biggest problem with fac is that has lil money. instead of switching the recourse gains with commie[/quote]\r\n\r\nThats what happens if you swap the resource gains (you kill for money)\r\n\r\n[quote]commie. right, first things first fix the influ cap glitch. second gain from splash needs to be added[/quote]\r\n\r\nAgreed\r\n\r\n[quote]being an attacking gov, they should gain +20% resource with field control as well as extra influ.[/quote]\r\n\r\nI believe this may make commi a bit OP. If we remove the 20% income plus limit this to the 3 influence zone this should be fine\r\n\r\n[quote]50% speed[/quote]\r\n\r\nHOLY...... Thats insane..... commi is turning OP\r\n\r\n[quote]micro becomes vital[/quote]\r\n\r\nI like how your making micro a key thing for this gov but those numbers are extreme\r\n\r\n[quote]or commie could be come a 2v2s weapon.[/quote]\r\n\r\nThose ideas sound good. However lets limit those abilities :/\r\n\r\n[quote]I think this unit tier system is pretty absurd[/quote]\r\n\r\nagreed\r\n\r\n[quote]Being able to combine the weaker 37% of the game to play at equal terms with 100% of the game[/quote]\r\n\r\nplease... dont flatter yourself.... \r\n\r\n[quote]Maybe a Health and Speed increase would do the trick.  I still don't know.[/quote]\r\n\r\nIll support that\r\n\r\n[quote]About he Unit Tier System, you need to understand how the system determines the placement of each unit.  I don't want to go into this right now.[/quote]\r\n\r\nthen dont mention it.... Besides what are you afraid of? the flaws in your ideas? just say it and we will modify it\r\n\r\n[quote]I thought Communist gives resources 75% of the time when killing units (Give or take, not sure what the exact value is) regardless of what unit kills what.[/quote]\r\n\r\nYou are correct about the 2nd part. The unit that kills does not affect the resource gain.\r\n\r\nHowever resources gained is dependent on the unit. Each unit is set a specific value. There is no relation to its resource/tier/use/ etc.\r\n\r\n[quote]the communist kills you get only give you up to 100 influence not the standard 200...[/quote]\r\n\r\nwe did mention this a few times but the forums are beginning to forget :/\r\n\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote]I thought Communist gives resources 75% of the time when killing units (Give or take, not sure what the exact value is) regardless of what unit kills what.[/quote]\r\n\r\n[quote]ive never seen it mentioned here, ive always noticed it but could never understand it...[/quote]\r\n\r\nwhat he means is that. If communist is currently at 150 influence and kills.... And that kill causes you to gain influence, you automatically reset back to 100.\r\n\r\n[quote]If so, this would make progressing to tier 3 very hard whilst creating grodz[/quote]\r\n\r\nThis may actually be a good thing. Since tier 2 forge and post are balanced and tier 3 forge is weaker than tier 3 post, this may continue balancing things out.\r\n\r\nThis makes groditz mirror the phantom. 23 money does halt the upgrade process\r\n\r\n\r\n[quote]The score: Alliance 1\r\n           Sauce 0[/quote]\r\n\r\nSweet theres a war? this should be fun.....

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