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Is god willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both willing, and able?
then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him god?
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if g-d is not real, that means there is no explanation, no reason for anything, this whole universe just happened. wether g-d is a true being or just something made up is something made up is something that can not be explained or proven. If g-d exists, witch i believe,then the reason he hasent intervented with our fate is possibly that he believes that mankind must make its own destiny.
okay I think I will read it. thanks you
cool, either leave me a comment or reply on here what you think
if g-d is not real, that means there is no explanation, no reason for anything, this whole universe just happened
there's actually a lot of explanations, the most famous being the big bang theory (not saying i do or don't believe in the big bang theory, just pointing that out).
existance, randomness expells reason.
I still don't understand, but if you're asking for the reason we're on Earth, no one knows and the only thing humanity can do is question and ponder.
Maybe there isn't a reason, maybe we're just lucky enough to be a species capable of thinking and pondering and to have survived as long as we did so far.
If that wasn't your question please explain more.
@Lieutenut: I think he means reason for existing. Picture reason in like a different category than explanation. Explanation is how, reason is why.
@Buzzmerin: Honestly, if atheism is true, there's no reason; science doesn't have a reason, only an explanation (in this sense). Assume God is real, which you already do, so not much of a stretch; but assume God is real, and then tell me, why does the earth circulate the sun and not vice versa?
The explanation is simple; the sun has a bigger mass and therefore a greater gravitational pull than the earth, so the earth circulates the sun, much like the moon, of such a tiny mass, circulates the earth.
Without God, there's no reason for existing, but there also doesn't have to be. We have an explanation, and without a higher power, there's no "Why me?" because nobody was chosen.
Anyway, that's just a few thoughts I had about that. Not all of them were directed at you, just for discussion. If you've seen me around, I do that a lot. Must have a severe case of A.D.D. :/
@MageGrayWold:
I managed to take a look at most of those vids. In a way I can relate to the people on there (especially being former Christians and all), but I also feel more empowered to stay in my faith for a couple reasons (at the moment). A lot of the Christians they talked with could never waver and always ran to their pastor for the answers, so when they were finally forced to stop doing this, they would have no defense for their faith. I used to do the first one, but I do neither of them anymore.
Still, I know the more difficult choice is to leave the Christian faith, so that may be swaying my decision as well. I also am going to search for some other Christians that reason like me AND stayed in the faith, because I have yet to hear from any of those youtubers. But thank you for the links, they were a very interesting read (or watch, technically).
So nice to be back after a long day of school.
I read your page Lieutenut, just a randome question ... why did you decide to change what you believed ??
I read your page Lieutenut, just a randome question ... why did you decide to change what you believed ??
Lol, what do you mean? I changed from an atheist to an agnostic probably over a month ago now, but if that's what you're talking about it just makes more sense to me. I was an agnostic for a while then became atheist and then switched to being an agnostic again lol :P
Honestly, if atheism is true, there's no reason; science doesn't have a reason, only an explanation (in this sense).
That's not Necessarily true. Just because we answer with "I don't know" doesn't mean there is no reason, just means we don't know what that reason is if there is one.
I managed to take a look at most of those vids. In a way I can relate to the people on there (especially being former Christians and all), but I also feel more empowered to stay in my faith for a couple reasons (at the moment). A lot of the Christians they talked with could never waver and always ran to their pastor for the answers, so when they were finally forced to stop doing this, they would have no defense for their faith. I used to do the first one, but I do neither of them anymore.
Still, I know the more difficult choice is to leave the Christian faith, so that may be swaying my decision as well. I also am going to search for some other Christians that reason like me AND stayed in the faith, because I have yet to hear from any of those youtubers. But thank you for the links, they were a very interesting read (or watch, technically).
I didn't post up the vids to try and convert you to being an atheist. You said you were trying to see things from the other side of the argument and those types of videos offer just that. I'm glad you enjoyed those videos there are many more like them on youtube. I would have offered up videos of Christians who think like you do but I don't think I have really run into any myself.
That's not Necessarily true. Just because we answer with "I don't know" doesn't mean there is no reason, just means we don't know what that reason is if there is one.
I wasn't trying to imply atheists were cold-hearted. There may be a reason, but it is a man-made reason (if God doesn't exist), not some spiritual being's reason. That's all I really meant.
I know you weren't trying to convert; I was impressed by the videos, don't get me wrong. I don't plan on even considering conversion until I'm an adult; I don't want to do something in haste. I appreciate your kindness in this matter, and I respect you.
Lol, what do you mean? I changed from an atheist to an agnostic probably over a month ago now, but if that's what you're talking about it just makes more sense to me. I was an agnostic for a while then became atheist and then switched to being an agnostic again lol :P
lol wow thats a lot of change.... didn't you say that you were of another realigion be4 ?? or was that someone else if so sry 4 da mix up.
lol wow thats a lot of change.... didn't you say that you were of another realigion be4 ?? or was that someone else if so sry 4 da mix up.
ya before I went through that whole I think I talked about I was a Catholic for 14 years lol
Who stated this? Nonconformist, YOU are totally taking sentences and adding them on to my post when you quote me, as if I posted them.
If you are going to quote different people, quote them separately.
I personally don't believe anyone has the evidence to prove or disprove God, therefore I would never state the above.
well u told me to read from beginning... i did.. i guess its ur turn to go back and to see that.. cuz its not taken out of context at all.. that was the whole statement.. btw u even quoted me saying that it was by valkyrie the person ur siding with... i guess i should start explaining everythin now a days
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