Now while some people thing that communism would fail after a certain point... what if... you reformed it into a more socialistic society?
In theory communism is best, we all know that. But in real life a less stringent form of goverment like socialism would be far better as we know not everyone will work equally like machines. Although socialism is similar, in many ways it is also different. It prevents the oppresive dictators from forming and more rights to the people. I believe that capitalism is about as sad as it gets. The Soviet Union would of lasted much longer had they increase consumer goods and decrease military might. See the way to a great nation is not through death and war. It is through creating a country that is so great, safe, and powerful. That people from other places would say.
Hey, would i want to fight them, they've done no harm. In fact i would rather go and fight for them than here.
It is sort of a unique form of socialism, keeping the basics, but working on the details, show others that you are strong, happy, and proud of your country. That if it came down to it. Would you give your life to go fight for your motherland? You, by your own mind, would immediately say Yes.
And to one day, have peace, by achieveing a global socialistic state. It have a end to wars, to focus on reserch in space, and work on technology for quicker food production, cheap and clean fuel sources.
To have the Reformed USSR on the globe and nothing else in my dream. For everyone to be equal and have a fair chance at life, if they want to be an astronaut, they will be. Not have some school deny him or her that dream because they can't afford the ridulose price of college.
For education and healthcare to be cheap or free. To help their neighbor in times of need. This is my dream, and i'm ready to make it happen.
[i]The Revolution is coming... The Question is... Are You Ready...?
You don't want everyone to have a doctor and be healthy because you want everyone to cater to your selfishness?
So a doctor goes to school for about 8 to 12 years, just so they can make the same pay as a hamburger flipper? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I would want to be paid more!
Ok, so let us say that a doctor does work on people for low pay (no one is going to do that... no one), how will they upkeep the hospital? How will they pay for the technology and medicine? If the government pays for it, they will have to tax the people. If they tax the people, the doctor makes almost next to nothing and the people are being over taxed.
So a doctor goes to school for about 8 to 12 years, just so they can make the same pay as a hamburger flipper? Yeah, I'm pretty sure I would want to be paid more!
I must also add that communism gives the same pay to everyone so that the working class is treated fair. There is nothing fair working like a dog while someone else who has an easy job gains the same pay. Everyone would only do the easy work, who would be left to do the hard stuff? No one will want to do it because they won't feel motivated.
Not everyone will have that COMRADE!?o.O1ONe pride that you have. In fact, most people don't give two shits about their government. The only way you can keep people working is to force them to work, which only the government can do. The community won't do anything about it because they would rather move on with their lives rather than start trouble. If the government steps in, you're no better than any other government.
I must also add that communism gives the same pay to everyone so that the working class is treated fair.
In Communism, there is no pay or money.
The only way you can keep people working is to force them to work, which only the government can do.
So why are you defending Communism? Communism says the people will work for the betterment of society, NOT because the government tells them too. If you believe people only work because the government makes them, how can you justify Communism?
Like I said, not all communists support equal wages. The goal, as said, is not to have everyone have the same money, wear the same clothes and think the same way.
There would be many ways to reward contribution.
Capitalism fundementally rewards power. If you work at the bottom of a corporate hierarchy then you are remunerated the lowest, if you own large stock in the corporation or have a powerful position then you recieve far greater reward simply because of your power. Contribution does not come in to the equation. Simply having the power of ownership means that even if one produces nothing of worth to society one still is rewarded greatly. The bigger the actor in the market the bigger the reward and the greater the ability to 'externalise' costs. Market transactions are about transferring as much cost as possible on to others. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Externality
Big fish in capitalism survive better by forcing these costs on to their workforce, the local community, society, the environment, the third world etc. That is how profit is attained. So capitalism, or class society in general, is a situation whereupon power is the key factor in deciding where the social product ends up. The market is not the only factor. Corporations depending on their size/power can gain huge state subsidy through tax exemption, actual direct subsidy or technological advancement paid for by the state and handed to private companies etc.
If we have an economic system that rewards power then we should never be surprised by the negative effects that such a system produces. It is obvious to the materialist that it is the economic institutions we have dictate the shape of society and how humans react and behave. If we want a better society worthwhile to all its participents and one that has positive outcomes then we must chnge the economic institutions that currently exist and replace them with ones that are there to produce for society's needs not for individual private gain and the remuneration of power. The producers must have control of their factories, the community must have control of their communities. This is not only just, it is highly desirable because of the positive outcomes it will produce for society.
If we agree that rewarding power is a ridiculous way to remunerate then we agree that we have to replace the institutions that do just that and that is the only way. The corporations, the market, the state, all have to be swept away and replaced with producer self-management, participatory planning, community control etc. We should have horizontal institutions that promote and encourage positive outcomes for society not ones owned and controlled by elite individuals. Capitalists argue that their system is the manifestation of human nature. Social anarchists and commmunists see the human behavior and the class system as the product of the economic system.
We should never expect people to react positively or engage in something they have no say, power or control over and the mass of the population do not have this. Conversely, give people the power over their lives at work, in the community and in their own lives then we would see the change this has on 'human nature' and society as a whole. The destruction and replacement of the economic institutions that reward greed and power is the key to the whole 'human nature' debate. Self-management and paticipatory planning are not just alternatives to private power and corporate pillage, they are highly desirable alternatives with highly positive outcomes for the individual who particiapates and society as a whole.
Communism says the people will work for the betterment of society
But psychology doesn't! This is why communism fails. You ignore the basics behind human behavior.
If you believe people only work because the government makes them, how can you justify Communism?
He never justified communism. He completely destroyed it. Everyone wants world peace, but nobody wants to work more than the next guy to achieve it without getting more for the added effort. Its basic human psychology.
If you're trying to start a flame war, you're failing at it. Insulting shows you cant argue back, which means I won.
But in regards the job argument. It's like having a choice between either answering one question in school and having it count as a homework grade, or doing a 5 page long essay but having it only count as a homework grade. Which would you prefer? It works the same way as what I described. No one wants to work more to achieve what they could have achieved by working less.
Also, any sources proving I'm 12? If there are no sources it must not be true.
Honey, what did I tell you about saying stuff like that? xD
Hmmmm . . . better USSR? Try . . . taking away Stalin and putting in someone more stable and less keen towards killing millions of people. That may help. Yaknow, just a little.
