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Healmeal
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Well in many songs, movies, games and everything you see great nationalism for America. I kinda think it's stupid to use amerifcanism if you intend to spread your thing trhoughout the whole world. For example bands/singers we all over the world listen to, have a few songs about america, and how great it is. Well, I don't think America is all that good, maybe its also part of my own nationalism, but I actually always prefer speaking english on stuff I intend International. If you say your country is good, Will you make friends with that?

Just was wondering how people thought about this (I also want to hear some from some americans)

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Elitemagical
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The Swiss made the first well-made camera and the first movies were made by the British, assembly line car production? Most countries have that, and I doubt the Americans invented it, the television was invented by a Scotsman, Nuclear missiles were made by Oppenheimer who was German, Americans made the cell phones, the phonograph was made by a Frenchman, internet was made by Americans but world wide web made by the British, first electric train was built by a Scotsman, aeroplane built by the Americans . . .

So you got 3 out of all of them.

DirtyCodingHabitz
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you've done your research my friend lol

balerion07
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Ok was wrong about movies and was misinformed by a website about the electric train.

Ford developed the assembly line in the production of cars
Oppenhimer was American
Edison made the phonograph
Philo Farnsworth was the first inventor to transmit a television image

balerion07
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To clarify about Oppenhimer, he was an American citizen of German ethnicity. Doesn't make him any less of an American.

thisisnotanalt
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The Swiss made the first well-made camera


. . . but not the first camera.

and the first movies were made by the British


First projector. First movie was a French creation.

Most countries have that, and I doubt the Americans invented it,


Fail. America invented cars. and they also invented assembly line car production, as bal said.

the television was invented by a Scotsman


The first public demonstration of it was by that guy, but it had many contributing inventors. It was 1/3rd Scotsman, 1/3rd American, and 1/3rd Russian.

Nuclear missiles were made by Oppenheimer who was German,


Their goddam ethnicity doesn't matter. He was working for the American government, so America invented it.

but world wide web made by the British


No, made by CERN in Switzerland.

first electric train was built by a Scotsman,


I'll retrieve sources in a sec . . . .
balerion07
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The first public demonstration of it was by that guy, but it had many contributing inventors. It was 1/3rd Scotsman, 1/3rd American, and 1/3rd Russian.


There are many differing opinons on that particular one.
Elitemagical
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. . . but not the first camera.


For recording is what I meant.

First projector. First movie was a French creation.


Thank you for that information: that's still not American.

Fail. America invented cars. and they also invented assembly line car production, as bal said.


"Ferdinand Verbiest, a member of a Jesuit mission in China, built the first steam-powered vehicle around 1672 which was of small scale and designed as a toy for the Chinese Emperor, that was unable to carry a driver or a passenger, but quite possibly, was the first working steam-powered vehicle"

"Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot is often credited with building the first self-propelled mechanical vehicle or automobile in about 1769"

"What is not in doubt is that Richard Trevithick built and demonstrated his Puffing Devil road locomotive in 1801,"

"In Russia, in the 1780s, Ivan Kulibin developed a human-pedalled, three-wheeled carriage with modern features such as a flywheel, brake, gear box, and bearings; however, it was not developed further."

"François Isaac de Rivaz, a Swiss inventor, designed the first internal combustion engine, in 1806"

"The design was not very successful, as was the case with others, such as Samuel Brown, Samuel Morey, and Etienne Lenoir"

"French inventor Gustave Trouvé demonstrated a working three-wheeled automobile that was powered by electricity. This was at the International Exhibition of Electricity in Paris."

"Although several other German engineers (including Gottlieb Daimler, Wilhelm Maybach, and Siegfried Marcus) were working on the problem at about the same time, Karl Benz generally is acknowledged as the inventor of the modern automobile."

Source.

One American name.

The first public demonstration of it was by that guy, but it had many contributing inventors. It was 1/3rd Scotsman, 1/3rd American, and 1/3rd Russian.


Thank you for that information: that's still not American.

No, made by CERN in Switzerland.


The Web was invented by English scientist Tim Berners-Lee in 1989.

balerion07
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The first public demonstration of it was by that guy, but it had many contributing inventors. It was 1/3rd Scotsman, 1/3rd American, and 1/3rd Russian.


I still disagree. Farnsworth was the first with his video camera tube.

What made you think America invented cars thisisnotanalt?

The Web was invented by English scientist Tim Berners-Lee in 1989.


This was done at CERN so their is some validity to both views.
thisisnotanalt
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Thank you for that information: that's still not American.


I'm not arguing for either side in this case. I'm making corrections, lol.

Thank you for that information: that's still not American.


Read above.

The Web was invented by English scientist Tim Berners-Lee in 1989.


. . . he was working for CERN.

Also, powered vehicle =/= car. Elwood Haynes (or whatever his name is) invented the horseless carriage in the USA, and Karl Benz, who was AMERICAN, invented the modern automobile.
thisisnotanalt
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Wait, sorry. Mixed up on the Benz one. He started in Germany. But I'm pretty sure his company got started in America.

balerion07
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lol
That got posted just when I was going to ask what the heck.

thisisnotanalt
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Well, the car thing is a tough call. The first gasoline combustion-driven car was invented in the USA, but the first gasoline automobile was German.

AnaLoGMunKy
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We have Alaska. Drill baby drill. We got rid of a horrible tyrant and I am very glad we did so. It's not like we suddenly claimed their resources once it was over or made the join the great American empire. If we had attacked a country that was covered in trees people would claim we did it for the wood.


Actually when USA has corporations like Halliburton making money out of war (for a long time, not just iraq) it should make you question the motives of high ranking Goverment officials motives for going to war. Alot of these guys have fingers in corporate pies.

You're blinded by your hate for America - unlike some, who are blinded by their nationalism for it.


Sadly this is is often true. I constantly remind myself that its not the American public I dislike. Its the Goverment and Corperations IN USA I dislike, but then Its no different to UK or most anywhere else I guess, but it still annoys me when people like the quote below say something without thinking.

I personally wonder why so many people have some crazy hate for america. What exactly did we do that ticked everyone off? People since it was created have always had something against us why? Yes i understand sometimes we over reach into others affairs but you need to sometimes do that to keep yourself an established world power. I personally don't get why so many people have complaints about us.


I would be unhappy with so many people hating my country as well. I would urge you to research some of the darker side of your history before asking what the Powers that be have done to make your country so disliked worldwide. Everyone I know wouldnt have a second thought about slagging USA off, but as I said I always try to keep in mind its not fair to generalize USA citizens under one banner.

Now how did YOUR oil get underneath THEIR sand? It's a geograhical conundrum. Obviously you have it marked for freedom, while they only use it to make a living and survive...


And this is the kind of material the guys in the quotes above need to research. They need to read, understand, then get mad at their goverment for alowing corperate control of their freedoms.

The United States has brought more inventions to the world in the last century than most of the rest of the world combined.


This belongs in a history lesson, and is in no way valuable to the argument. Even tho I liked seeing you guys do the research for me and I could learn a bit more history... lol.
But the Scientific community is generally worldwide. I dont care who made my blow up doll, I just care that they made it.
Pau11Wa11
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Get a life AnaLoGMunKy. nor really sure what the point of this thread is

AnaLoGMunKy
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Get a life AnaLoGMunKy. nor really sure what the point of this thread is

Witty and refreshing. Im not sure what the point of your post is. In fact, whats the point in existence, just bury your head in the sand and dont talk about serious world issues. Well done for joining the human race.
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