there are alot of atheists and Christians and threads about these so i thought why not create a muslin thread and another reason why i created this thread is because i was wondering if there were other muslims on ag.
just like the other threads we can talk about anything muslim
Were did you get that official definition of the Bible? In any way I understand you may be unfamiliar with my religion, but I do expect you to understand this goes both ways. So when I confuse christian definition you should not call it "arrogance".
the old testament is the one filled with gore, hate, violence, intolerance, perversion, genocides etc.?
That part doesn't have Jesus in it and nothing missioner in it either. So there is nothing like "kill everyone who isn't Jewish". The hate part of it is god mentioning that he wants the Jewish people to kill all the 6 (or was it 7) Canaanite races - something outdated for today and even back then was ignored (and it was told god punished the king that ignored that command). In general it has a lot of moral points mentioned and it even states that being morally right is more important then religiously right. This at times when Human sacrifices were a popular way to worship other religions. In other words, it was remarkable moral for its time's standards and still is today.
from you're link " Living in a city that failed to surrender to the Israelites. (Kill all the men, make the women and children slaves.) Deut 20:12-14 " Kind of wiki crap because it doesn't mention the rest. When a city doesn't surrender and you besiege it: you have to let water in (unless its a Canaanite city) You have to let "some" food in (again, unless its a Canaanite city You can't do whatever you want with the "slaves"- its marry them with given time to morn their losses or let them free with aid money. There's a very tricky definition for "Slave" because its said that all man are slaves of God so man can't be Real slaves of each other.
Im not going to go over all the rest of the wiki page and I'm not a religious expert but this is enough to know whoever wrote the page had an agenda.
I read that you're Muslim, and if this is the case, i am far from unfamilar with your religion as i have studied it and have spend the past two days defending it on here.
The Bible and Qu'ran are very similar, and no one can call just one peaceful or just one violent as they are both.
2 Peter 3:7 God will set the entire earth on fire so that he can burn non-believers to death.
Lol sorry, I'm Jewish. The Israel thread, remember?
The defenition "A copy of the Christian or Jewish scriptures" But whatever, forget it.
For general info, the harsher religious laws that include more hate and violence are usually the missionary religions because that's how they forced people to convert. The "old testament" doesn't have that because its not being missionary so it lacks all the stuff like "all the infidels will die eventually" and "kill all non believers".
For general info, the harsher religious laws that include more hate and violence are usually the missionary religions because that's how they forced people to convert. The "old testament" doesn't have that because its not being missionary so it lacks all the stuff like "all the infidels will die eventually" and "kill all non believers".
What about this:
Deuteronomy 13:12-15 English Standard Version (ESV) 12"If you hear in one of your cities, which the LORD your God is giving you to dwell there, 13that certain worthless fellows have gone out among you and have drawn away the inhabitants of their city, saying, 'Let us go and serve other gods,' which you have not known, 14then you shall inquire and make search and ask diligently. And behold, if it be true and certain that such an abomination has been done among you, 15you shall surely put the inhabitants of that city to the sword, devoting it to destruction,[a] all who are in it and its cattle, with the edge of the sword.
Leviticus 24:14-16 King James Version (KJV) 14Bring forth him that hath cursed without the camp; and let all that heard him lay their hands upon his head, and let all the congregation stone him.
15And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, Whosoever curseth his God shall bear his sin.
16And he that blasphemeth the name of the LORD, he shall surely be put to death, and all the congregation shall certainly stone him: as well the stranger, as he that is born in the land, when he blasphemeth the name of the Lord, shall be put to death.
The last one is reasonable for the time. It's extremely rare but it empowers god's place in the society. I'd be surprised if more then 5 people actually got killed over this throughout all history, I mean who would do that anyway except people trying to convert people out of Judaism? Non Jewish people trying to piss off Jews?. Today ofc this would never happen, not even in the most religious Jewish places (the punishment that is). What it means is that the effect of this part today is not harmful and it's harm was very minor for the time the punishment was enforced.
For the rest I didn't really understand what it says except that the second one includes stoning to death and the first one some harsh rules of war. If the place in the bible was translated so I could find it in the Hebrew book I could reply to those. But again, I'm not too much of an expert in this stuff but I should be familiar with the laws of war.
[quote] Oh? I never knew murderers are classified as better than people who do not kill.
Murders happen in America, or are you really that naive? The total number of murder's in the U.S.A. for 2006 ( 17,030 ) 2007 ( 16,929 ) 2008 ( 16,442 ) and 2009 ( 15,241 ). [/quote]
Yes, but most of these people have been locked up in prison. Are you too naive to see that they are blowing up innocent people. PEOPLE WHO DON'T MURDER.
Are you talking about the US army? There have been quite a number of civilian deaths caused by them.
No, I am talking about the civilians who live in America, who work there. Like the innocent people who got killed in 9/11. The US Army have killed civilians I don't deny that but it's not a reason for militia groups to kill more civilians.
I haven't seen the US army or any branch of the US military behead prisoners. I also don't see the US military raping young boys in Afghanistan. I also don't see the US military strapping bombs to children in the name of a Christian God.
But hey, Muslims are the religion of peace, what do I know?
