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Graham
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Sitting through yet another forced visit to the church, I decided to come up with some questions. See if you can answer them.

First the questions, then the analysis.

Questions
1. Do humans understand god? Would you agree with the analogy God:Humanog?

2. (Monotheistic) How do you know there isn't many "God"s in each one of us?

3. Religion is OLD. Do you think that it is really a credible source?

4. Miracles, are they mind's tricks?

5. Is it not easy to blame things on 'God'(s) rather than understand it yourself?

6. (Christianity) Could being last be selfish?

7. Knowing you have someone watching out for you, blind hope?
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Analysis
1. If you did agree with the analogy then how would you know what 'good' is? You know nothing other than what your owner has given you. Being agnostic I feel that I can choose which owner I think will suit me the most.

2. They refer to him as 'Father'. Taking things as a singularity is easy. How do you know there isn't many 'God's inside each one of us and you just refer to him as a whole?

3. It was in the days before modern science. Many many many religions seems to have formed in the past before scientific explainations.

4. The mind is one of your most powerful traits in a human. It is possible to kill yourself by just believing.

5. It is very easy! This relates to question 3. Look at salem witch trials. They're witches! Look at what they did! Burn them!! Rather than assess the situation.

6. It can be! Giving away all your items just to receive the best. Giving away all your items just so you know when you're dead you haven't missed out on the potentially great things you have.

7. It can be a false security that leads to bad decisions.

In conclusion, the 'Bible'(s) are simply biased books of wisdom to me.

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Flippin3500
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1. Do humans understand god? Would you agree with the analogy God:Humanog?


If God existed, humans wouldn't be able to even begin to understand him. And no, I am not God's dog, nor will I ever be.

2. (Monotheistic) How do you know there isn't many "God"s in each one of us?


Well, some people actually do believe that there are many Gods. (I think you already knew this, since you put 'Monotheistic' in parentheses.) However, if you believe in the Bible, you would know that it tells you that there is only one God.

3. Religion is OLD. Do you think that it is really a credible source?


Absolutely not. The Bible is only a book of morals, nothing more. It kinda amazes me that we still believe in religion in the 21st century.

4. Miracles, are they mind's tricks?


Yes, atleast that's what I believe. Most of the so-called 'miracles' are only strange coincidences .

5. Is it not easy to blame things on 'God'(s) rather than understand it yourself?


I'm not quite sure that I understand this one, but yes it is easy to blame things on God. He, supposedly, created everything in the universe so he should be held responsible for everything bad, shouldn't he?

6. (Christianity) Could being last be selfish?


I'm not exactly sure of what you're talking about. I find it foolish to give your money to God in church.

7. Knowing you have someone watching out for you, blind hope?


Well, this could be a good thing. If people are concerned that there is an omnipotent being watching their every move, it could lead them to make good decisions.
Graham
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And no, I am not God's dog, nor will I ever be.


" You know nothing other than what your owner has given you."

He, supposedly, created everything in the universe so he should be held responsible for everything bad, shouldn't he?


Satan?

I'm not exactly sure of what you're talking about.


read Analysis

If people are concerned that there is an omnipotent being watching their every move, it could lead them to make good decisions.


i wouldn't call fear good.
Flippin3500
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Satan?


He created Satan, did he not? I think 'Satan' is just God's scapegoat.

i wouldn't call fear good.


I fear prison, so I'm not going to do anything bad that will make me go to prison. That's a good thing isn't it?

read Analysis


I did, I'm just out of my mind today. Sorry.
Graham
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He created Satan, did he not? I think 'Satan' is just God's scapegoat.


dun dun dunnnnnnnnnnnnn

I fear prison, so I'm not going to do anything bad that will make me go to prison. That's a good thing isn't it?


*furrows brow & half frowning*

..yes
Lieutenut
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Sitting through yet another forced visit to the church, I decided to come up with some questions.


lol that's what I do as well every week :P I ponder and debate myself on religion xD

and I liked your op, a lot
JJ52
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He, supposedly, created everything in the universe so he should be held responsible for everything bad, shouldn't he?


Saiten started out as an Ark Angle, who wanted power. Since he, like all of us, had free will he broke away from God and...well you probably know the rest. and you problem dont want me talking(typing?) for half a page about it.

So basically Satan was good when he was created, but turned bad. When God created everything, everything was good, but due to the fact that some people used free will for bad things some things have become bad.
Flippin3500
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Well if you go along with that theory, JJ52, you've already made a contradiction.

Heaven is a place filled with everything good, right?

No war, disease, hunger, nothing.

...but, Satan held a war in Heaven?! This must mean that God's a liar, or he just doesn't exist at all.

Oh, and if you come up with a statement to counter with mine, I have you beat with the following statement: God created Satan. Period.

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1. Do humans understand god? Would you agree with the analogy God:Humanog?


If there is a god then by no means do we understand him/her/it/they. If we did we wouldn't have over 10,000 completely different religions all claiming to be the right one, not counting the different denominations in each one. For example there are almost 34,000 different Christian denominations.

2. (Monotheistic) How do you know there isn't many "God"s in each one of us?


I ask instead how do you know there even is a god? Every single time we look at how things in this universe work we find the processes didn't require a god. It's like being told god under a rock, then when we flip the rock over he isn't there and we get told he is under the next rock.

3. Religion is OLD. Do you think that it is really a credible source?


No, I don't think the Bible is even a very good source for morals. For example your pulling your morals from a book that says slavery is okay (yes even in the new testament) and homosexuals should be put to death.

4. Miracles, are they mind's tricks?


I'm going to agree with Flippin3500 statement here.

5. Is it not easy to blame things on 'God'(s) rather than understand it yourself?


I'm going to take a guess that you mean instead of finding out the truth it's easier to just say "God did it" and leave it at that.

I have to say yes, look where doing this has lead us. Suppressed advancement in virtually every field, wars, your own example of scapegoating, and intolerance just to name a few.

6. (Christianity) Could being last be selfish?


I read your analysis and I'm still not quite following where your going with this one.

7. Knowing you have someone watching out for you, blind hope?


Big Brother Is Watching!

Interesting how when we talk about God watching us all the time it's a good thing but if used in any other context it has negative undertones. Also on the free will side. How can anyone who believes god is always watching truly exercise free will?
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first, let's say there isn't a god. you live your life with no purpose other than to reproduce to continue the human race and please yourself. you lie, cheat, and steal to get what you want. Or you might live a good life to stay out of trouble. Either way, eventually you die and that is the end of it, regardless of your decisions in life. now, let's say there is a god. You have to choices, to live for yourself OR to live for God. if you live for yourself, you'll die, and go to hell, a place of eternal pain and torture, forever. If you live for God, you'll die and get sent to heaven, a place of eternal peace and happiness. So here's my question : Even if you don't believe in God, is it worth the risk of going to hell? why not living a life for him, just to be safe?
oh, and by the way,for #6, the Idea of christianity isn't simply to just give all your things away, It's learning to love others and knowing that if you don't help them and show them the love of Jesus that they will be dead forever. You need help, guys, and I'm praying for you whether you want me to or not, because I can see you need it.

Pau11Wa11
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you give money to the church because they find ways to use it 2 help people or give it 2 people who need it, even to help build or fund other struggling churchs

Lieutenut
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Actually churches barely use any of the money they get to aid other causes, they use it to maintain/expand their facility. If they ARE going to aid a charity or something along those lines they usually ask you to donate a bit extra for it.

Churches = useless.

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Even if you don't believe in God, is it worth the risk of going to hell?


Yes.

why not living a life for him, just to be safe?


Because then you can't experience everything in life.

first, let's say there isn't a god. you live your life with no purpose other than to reproduce to continue the human race and please yourself


Sounds fine to me.
Flippin3500
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No, I don't think the Bible is even a very good source for morals. For example your pulling your morals from a book that says slavery is okay (yes even in the new testament) and homosexuals should be put to death.


Lol, well I was talking about the morals like, "Love thy brother". Not the slavery and homosexual ones. hehe

first, let's say there isn't a god. you live your life with no purpose other than to reproduce to continue the human race and please yourself. you lie, cheat, and steal to get what you want. Or you might live a good life to stay out of trouble. Either way, eventually you die and that is the end of it, regardless of your decisions in life. now, let's say there is a god. You have to choices, to live for yourself OR to live for God. if you live for yourself, you'll die, and go to hell, a place of eternal pain and torture, forever. If you live for God, you'll die and get sent to heaven, a place of eternal peace and happiness. So here's my question : Even if you don't believe in God, is it worth the risk of going to hell? why not living a life for him, just to be safe?


Or... believe in something rational like, "there is no god". Then you don't have to live by a false set of rules. I think being atheist is the ultimate form of free will.
Graham
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If there is a god then by no means do we understand him/her/it/they. If we did we wouldn't have over 10,000 completely different religions all claiming to be the right one, not counting the different denominations in each one. For example there are almost 34,000 different Christian denominations.


yet there are 10,000 completely different and 34,000 christian denominations. so it follows:

God:Humanog

JJ52
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Well if you go along with that theory, JJ52, you've already made a contradiction.

Heaven is a place filled with everything good, right?

No war, disease, hunger, nothing.

...but, Satan held a war in Heaven?! This must mean that God's a liar, or he just doesn't exist at all.

Oh, and if you come up with a statement to counter with mine, I have you beat with the following statement: God created Satan. Period.


The war wasnt in heaven...

And he created a good Satan, Satan made himself evil...

Before you say anything about "He was stupid to create free will then" If he didnt create any free will, what would life be like? Having no choice about anything would be terrible....
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