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DrCool1
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Here is an interesting question, what if America was invaded by land, by another huge army. What I am saying is if both the east and west coast were invaded by millions of foot soldiers that would move across the entire country. Think of this if like a D-Day happened in America. So where would you go? What would you do? Would you fight or hide? Hey you never know if this could happen but America would probably have a nuke war before this happens.

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partydevil
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The U.S. Navy is the largest in the world; its battle fleet tonnage is greater than that of the next 13 largest navies combined.


it's big yea. ultimate no. you don't have the money to keep doing this. sometime when your money is gone and technologie is more advanced. some other country pass by on that area.

and only the spageti monster knows what russia actualy has. they are not so open about what they got anymore. and most of the country is no1's land.

I doubt it

to bad. wont convince me then.

That doesn't change the fact that it would be extremely difficult to do.

sure, but the idea that it is imposible. seems to be the commen idea in the usa. wich it simply isn't.

I don't think you understand the hit the worlds economy would take if America was suddenly removed. That stereotype about American greed and wastefulness is quite true, and it means we have a huge impact on the worlds economy.


sure a impact but the world stays and so does demand. it will fix itself.
i can't think of a economic crisis (whit 1 cause only) that toke longer then 20 year.

it's like they said after 9/11 that it will hit the world economy very hard. instead most of the world had economic growth in that year.
(kinda over the top example tho, here they even made profit.)
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it's big yea. ultimate no. you don't have the money to keep doing this. sometime when your money is gone and technologie is more advanced.


Even in a recession the government won't cut military spending, if an invasion was looming they would just spend more.

some other country pass by on that area.


Not likely anytime soon.

and only the spageti monster knows what russia actualy has. they are not so open about what they got anymore. and most of the country is no1's land.


Since the fall of the communists they were quite open about it. They have more nuclear devices, but they are lacking everywhere else. A large portion of their cold war weapons have been left alone since then and are rotting away.

to bad. wont convince me then.


Its something I've never seen a historian argue about, its quite clear most of them accept the numbers as valid.

sure a impact but the world stays and so does demand. it will fix itself.
i can't think of a economic crisis (whit 1 cause only) that toke longer then 20 year.


I doubt even the great depression was close to what would happen if America fell, it would be an economic disaster the likes of which the world has never seen. Sure the worlds economy would eventually fix itself, but not before worldwide riots and other serious problems.

it's like they said after 9/11 that it will hit the world economy very hard. instead most of the world had economic growth in that year.


The predicted impact of 9/11 is a tiny fraction of a fraction of what would happen if America was destroyed.
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the usa never shot a russian and a russian never shot a american.

Both sides were in Korea.

they predicted more people would die in an invasion than would die with a nuke.

At least twice as many civilians died from the conventional bombings than from both nukes combined.
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i would definitely join the army is an invasion where to happen

thepunisher93
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Both sides were in Korea.

This my friend is called proxy war.
At least twice as many civilians died from the conventional bombings than from both nukes combined.

But future generations were not mutated.
not all nato countrys agree whit the usa and it's ideas some wont mind usa being attacked and some would even turn against them.
nato woul fall appart when such things happen.

Just like warsaw pact
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doubt even the great depression was close to what would happen if America fell, it would be an economic disaster the likes of which the world has never seen. Sure the worlds economy would eventually fix itself, but not before worldwide riots and other serious problems.

No it won't happen.
Nations born nations die, but world keeps going on.
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Even in a recession the government won't cut military spending, if an invasion was looming they would just spend more.


now they can yes. but there will be a time they simply can't. for example is the usa government coming close to it's max of 17 trillion debt. when the usa hits this debt. their economic rating will get under the rating of A. this means that the usa can no longer secur that they are able to pay back this debt. and therefor other countrys will less fast (if at all) lend the usa money to pay for their army.

and if they usa wants to keep the army in this senario then they have to cut massively on other parts of their society.

Not likely anytime soon.

i didn't know we were talking here about any time soon. i'm talking about IF (like the topic name) and WHEN (i'm not giving any time zone it will happen in. it can just aswell take 200 year)

They have more nuclear devices, but they are lacking everywhere else.

how can you be so sure their info is correct? they might aswell just not tell everything. their government is working very secretly. they are not open about their business.

A large portion of their cold war weapons have been left alone since then and are rotting away.

most of their outdated weaponry is sold to other countrys. (mainly africa)

but not before worldwide riots and other serious problems.

there is no way any1 can know that.
i believe most of the world is smart enoufg to not get all crazy.

Both sides were in Korea.

korean war, not cold war.

both sides where also in vietnam.
both sides where also in afghanistan.
both sides where also in georgia.
both sides where also in ww2.

they are all wars on their own.
the cold war is not a actual war.

Just like warsaw pact

i didn't see a world war happen in 1991. (like was suggested befor, that would happen when nato falls apart)
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i didn't see a world war happen in 1991. (like was suggested befor, that would happen when nato falls apart

I mean when USSR are started falling apart.
Many nations came out of pact
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No it won't happen.
Nations born nations die, but world keeps going on.


Once upon a time, yes that would be true. In the modern world it is not. Nations are closely tied economically these days, and when the biggest of them falls it takes the rest with it.

and if they usa wants to keep the army in this senario then they have to cut massively on other parts of their society.


Congress has already shown thats exactly what they intend to do. However there is another alternative, cut military spending in half. We would save 300 billion a year and still spend about 3 times as much as China who is second on the military spending list.

i didn't know we were talking here about any time soon. i'm talking about IF (like the topic name) and WHEN (i'm not giving any time zone it will happen in. it can just aswell take 200 year)


Hypotheticals are great and all, but they need to be based in reality. As it stands today Americas allies can't abandon America, in the future the same will be true as long as America is an economic super power. But once again we hit a snag, if America is no longer an economic super power there is no reason to invade.

how can you be so sure their info is correct? they might aswell just not tell everything. their government is working very secretly. they are not open about their business.


They are becoming less and less open, but we already know the US had more during the cold war. We also know that during the cold war Russia was running out of money to maintain anything they built. Even today they don't have the economy to support a large army.

most of their outdated weaponry is sold to other countrys.


And if you look above you'll see why. But they still don't have enough money to keep pace.

there is no way any1 can know that.
i believe most of the world is smart enoufg to not get all crazy.


Economics is not hard. When the largest buyer leaves the who system has serious problems. People don't need to go crazy, but that doesn't mean there won't be problems. There is no other market like America in the world today, and because America is hated for that market its not likely to show up elsewhere. That means every country that produces anything to sell to America would suddenly be out of business and it just gets worse from there.

the cold war is not a actual war.


The cold war was an actual war. What it wasn't was a hot war(the term for a war with actual fighting).
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Once upon a time, yes that would be true. In the modern world it is not. Nations are closely tied economically these days, and when the biggest of them falls it takes the rest with it.


nations still come and go. there is nothing changing about that.
usa will not be forever usa neither will china forever be china or russia forever russia.
all nations come and go. the only question is... when?

Congress has already shown thats exactly what they intend to do.
well duh.. thats what every country does when it's going in that direction xD
but at 17 trillion when you will no longer be able to lend money so easly. this cut will be much bigger then what you think it is big now

However there is another alternative, cut military spending in half.

by doing that you can't keep your entire army as it is.

As it stands today Americas allies can't abandon America

sure they can. or are you going to attack them when they do that?
i guess thats the normal way tho. =(
and america is a economic super power that has/is digging it's own grave.

if America is no longer an economic super power there is no reason to invade.

a possible reason could be to make you guys feel how it is to have a modern war on your own ground for a change.
(i never said a good reason, neither has the usa always good reasons.. so thats even)

When the largest buyer leaves the who system has serious problems.

if the largest buyer leaves (wich is not the most of the total amount) then it will leave a inpression for a few year but people will still live and have demand for stuff. maybe when the usa is gone there is room for africa to grow.

People don't need to go crazy

rioting because of the economics, is getting crazy in my eye's
for a riot you need a good reason. and "the usa is gone" is not a good reason.

There is no other market like America in the world today

thats a prety limited view. there are alot of markets like the usa xD
maybe not the size but sure the kind of market is the same.

and because America is hated for that market its not likely to show up elsewhere.


usa is not hated for it's market. if it was then other countrys would not want to get involved in the market. i myself am busy on the usa market sometimes. while i hate the usa xD

the reason usa is hated is because of the way the government and LOTS of the people act.

That means every country that produces anything to sell to America would suddenly be out of business and it just gets worse from there.

again wrong. usa is not the only country whit that kinda market and those countrys will simply sell their good to other countrys.

usa isn't that special that it is a must in the world economic ladders. the world would do fine whitout it.

(just a little example: when US steel would lose a buyer. does that mean that US steel will be out of business?)

The cold war was an actual war. What it wasn't was a hot war(the term for a war with actual fighting).

The Cold War is the name given to the relationship that developed primarily between the USA and the USSR after World War Two.

it's not a war. there was no fighting in the cold war.

in the intire history of wars in the 1900's
the cold war is mentionet 2 times.
June 24, 1948 - Cold War: Berlin Blockade begins leading to the Berlin Airlift

after 1,5 month the ussr started to get annoyed by this. and started to talk whit germany. after 1,5 year and 278,228 flights. (of wich 25 were shot down because they were above ussr ground) the russians and germans came to a agreement.

January 23, 1968 - Cold War: The Pueblo Incident takes place when the North Koreans board and capture USS Pueblo in international waters


here it were the n-koreans shooting the boat not the ussr. and no1 was killed in this attack. also didn't they want to sink the boat but only to disable it.

so in the end only 31 americans died because they flied over ussr ground. and got shot down for doing so.

nowhere els in war history is the cold war mentioned.
and tbh, i don't find these 2 about usa vs ussr.
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by doing that you can't keep your entire army as it is.


Yes we can.

thats a prety limited view. there are alot of markets like the usa xD
maybe not the size but sure the kind of market is the same.


Its not limited at all. The USA has the largest market, and buys things the rest of the modern world won't. I didn't say it was a good thing, but too many countries rely on the market in America for it to disappear.

usa is not hated for it's market. if it was then other countrys would not want to get involved in the market. i myself am busy on the usa market sometimes. while i hate the usa xD


The USA is very much hated for its market. We are seen as greedy and wasteful because of our market.

again wrong. usa is not the only country whit that kinda market and those countrys will simply sell their good to other countrys.

usa isn't that special that it is a must in the world economic ladders. the world would do fine whitout it.

(just a little example: when US steel would lose a buyer. does that mean that US steel will be out of business?)


You don't understand the scale we are talking about. If America suddenly disappears there is no market to move too. Anything sold in America that is also sold elsewhere is already being sold there, you can't add to the market like that.

The Cold War is the name given to the relationship that developed primarily between the USA and the USSR after World War Two.

it's not a war. there was no fighting in the cold war.

in the intire history of wars in the 1900's
the cold war is mentionet 2 times.


The Cold War is what happened between the US and the USSR, but it was a cold war. A war does not need fighting to be a war, the actual term for a war with fighting is a hot war.
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i guess there is no coming through. to bad..

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but we already know the US had more during the cold war.


USSR/Russia had more nukes since 1978. Graph.

for a riot you need a good reason. and "the usa is gone" is not a good reason.

Rioting because the business you worked for shut down or downsized and you're out of a job and all of your investments are simply gone seems like a reason.
partydevil
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Rioting because the business you worked for shut down or downsized and you're out of a job and all of your investments are simply gone seems like a reason.


not for me but thats me i guess.
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USSR/Russia had more nukes since 1978. Graph.


I said that earlier, in the part you quoted I was talking about conventional weapons and war machines.

i guess there is no coming through. to bad..


I know exactly what you mean.

not for me but thats me i guess.


So you and most of the people around losing every source of income is not a reason to riot?
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