ForumsWEPRAthieism V.S. Scientology (arguement between friends)

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iamsuperawesome
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At school, i recently had a arguement with a friend about what is Athieism and what is Scientology. he is under the assumption that Athieism is when you believe in evolution, and i think it is when you believe in nothing, whom (who?) is right. is scientology the belief in evolution (i call it Darwinism sometimes, when you believe in evolution that is). am i right or is he right?

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TheDude42
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Haha. Very funny.
It is not true. Why? Because atheists and agnostics are not going around killing people.
About the earlier in history thing...where the hell did you pull that out of? Huh? Do you have any proof whatsoever to support that?

Do you know why hunter/gatherers formed tribes and worked together, and had grown to form organized civilizations?
RELIGION.
And I admit, religion has made us have some wars throughout time, but overall it has brought us to where we are now. Ask any historian and they'll agree, whether they're religious or not.
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Do you know why hunter/gatherers formed tribes and worked together, and had grown to form organized civilizations?
RELIGION.

As I said; where are you getting this?
And I admit, religion has made us have some wars throughout time, but overall it has brought us to where we are now. Ask any historian and they'll agree, whether they're religious or not.

I agree there. But that does not mean that it is anywhere near true.
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Do you know why hunter/gatherers formed tribes and worked together, and had grown to form organized civilizations?
RELIGION.


What does this have to do with OP?
I think you mean SURVIVAL, religion was used to help people understand the unknown. I wouldnt make any sense I said they things former because of science, would it?

Oh ya,
Atheism is simply a disbelief in the existence of a god. You dont need to believe in evolution to be an atheist(although most of them do) AND you can still eve be part of a religion.

Scientology doesnt have anything to do with evolution of science its about aliens and getting rich.

is basiclly all you need to know about it
I hope the link works :P, I cant remember if there are swears or anything so i just hope posting this isnt a bad thing.
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Well I can see were Dudeguy42 is right..... Yet I want to believe Moabarmorgamer more. I do believe in Jesus Christ yes, but there is almost no possibly way he is real unless the bible is true. I put more into science rather than magic and Gods...

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Well I can see were Dudeguy42 is right..... Yet I want to believe Moabarmorgamer more. I do believe in Jesus Christ yes, but there is almost no possibly way he is real unless the bible is true. I put more into science rather than magic and Gods...

Believe what you want.
But don't confuse Dudeguy with TheDude. Dudeguy is awesome. TheDude...er...
iamsuperawesome
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hey, im catholic and i am not arrogant. you can ask most of my friends on ag if you dont believe me.

and thanks to 8th grade history and 9th grade enriched history, most if not all successfull empires/countries have had a reliogen. so, in a way Atheism is more barbaric than any major reliogen.

Every reliogen mayhave had its slipups, christianity had the crusades. buddism had suicide protests(in protest to the vietnam war mind you). Atheism has Anarchy. Islam has Ossama Bin Laden and his Radical followers.so can we please get over the whole "every belief sucks, no they dont, yes they do, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah" i mean realy people, are we in kindergarden?

TheDude42
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Dudeguy42

Lol.
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No, religion is barbaric. Atheism is not. Not only is atheism not a religion, but atheism has been fairly latent throughout history. IT hasn't done anything good or bad, whereas religion has done loads of both. So, since it's impossible for atheism to be barbaric because it's never done anything barbaric ever, religion is more barbaric.

Wtf? Atheism has anarchy? Atheism is not a set of beliefs! It is not associated with anarchy! All it is is not believing in a god or higher power. There are no other atheist beliefs.

WoodyGuthrie
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People will find reasons to kill each-other regardless of a god or not.

TheDude42
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Atheism is not a set of beliefs!

No set of beliefs= Anarchy
WoodyGuthrie
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No set of beliefs= Anarchy


WRONG
caucasiafro
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Atheism is not a set of beliefs!

No set of beliefs= Anarchy


I dont think he was saying atheist cant have a set of beliefs.

Dont think of atheism as a religion, do you think of Theism as a religion? Beliefs of Atheists can be just as varied as the beliefs of Theists. Atheists can believe in evolution or not believe in it, they can be communists, capitalists, anarchist, it doesnt matter. Is it that hard to understand?

I remember a really long debate about this awhile back.

And once again what does this have to do with the OP?
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We'd have no moral code whatsoever, at least we wouldn't have earlier in history. Without religion we would still be killing each other with clubs and not feel guilty at all. It's true.


Religion does not equal "moral" code. Atheism does not mean you have no "morals".

Please, atheism is the oldest and most barbaric religion of all. Yet I've actually thought about my religion, and I've concluded that there must be a god.


Religion is much older than atheism...

in a way Atheism is more barbaric than any major reliogen.


Wait what? Atheism isn't barbaric, in fact since the idea of religion is older than Atheism doesn't that make religion barbaric?

Every reliogen mayhave had its slipups, christianity had the crusades. buddism had suicide protests(in protest to the vietnam war mind you). Atheism has Anarchy. Islam has Ossama Bin Laden and his Radical followers


Buddhism isn't a religion. Atheism is not anarchy. And most of the so called Islam radicals are either looking for power or are misguided by those looking for power.


No set of beliefs= Anarchy


Only to the ignorant.
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Please, atheism is the oldest and most barbaric religion of all.

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*Cough*

You realize that Atheism could not exist before any other religion, in all technicality, as Atheism is the strict belief that there is no God. Before religion, there was no belief in any god, and therefore no need to deny it, therefore, religion came before Atheism.

And most barbaric? How many wars are about religion? How many terrorist groups attack because of their belief system?

Yeah.

Agnostic=Stupid and arrogant


How? Agnostics don't deny that there might be a God, and respect other religions.

So GG.
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It sounds like to me like people are confused so here let me clear up some things.
First Anarchy is with the government which is a state where society runs it self.(Absolutely nothing to do with religon{fine depends on the way you look at it(so)})
Second we all have our beliefs but to insult a religion is like a white guy beating up a black guy because (obviously) out of race.
That's all I have to say.

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