This is a subject that has cropped up in a couple threads already so I figure why not give it it's own thread.
So the questions Was the Biblical Jesus a real person? If not was there at least a historical Jesus used as a basis for the stories? Could it have been a complete fabrication?
Please provide evidence for or against your argument. If you use the Bible provide external sources to also back up your claim.
So what if some religions are similar to Christianity? I bet you could find a Mayan or Inca god similar to Jesus, even though they were on another continent. I'm just saying coincidences do occur.
*shrug* I think they're facts. I believe them. But you can believe whatever you want. Don't take offense to how I say what I believe and don't tell me how to; that's what you're supposed to do in this forum.
Moab. Ok. Sorry if I upset you I don't mean to do it, just get excited sometimes. Just please take a quick look at this.
If you believe that He's not the Son of God, but just a Rabbi, then he died and never landed in America for the Mormons - and you have to conclude that this scene never happened:
And it came to pass, as they understood they cast their eyes up again towards heaven; and behold, they saw a Man descending out of heaven; and he was clothed in a white robe; and he came down and stood in the midst of them; and the eyes of the whole multitude were turned upon him, and they durst not open their mouths, even one to another, and wist not what it meant, for they thought it was an angel that had appeared unto them. And it came to pass that he stretched forth his hand and spake unto the people, saying: Behold, I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world. 3 Nephi 11 (Book of Mormon)
And besides, you could still call me a Christian since I follow the Rabbi Jesus' teachings, but it would be a mistake for you to call Mormon's Christians since their Jesus is fake.
Are you using this as a fight against the Mormons or something? Let me clarify this. YES, I am a Utahn. YES, the majority of my family is LDS. NO, I am not Mormon, I am agnostic. We clear? Good. Now, can you please stop saying that scenes from the Book of Mormon aren't true as if I believe them? Because I know they aren't. I don't believe in the Bible either. YES, I conclude that he was just a rabbi and died, and never landed in America. I also don't think that he was the son of God in the first place(from my standing, God doesn't exist), so the Christian religion is wrong from my point of view. I am not getting into this. The Christians' Christ is fake, the Mormons' Christ is fake, nobody's religion is right. That's me. And no, it's fine. It just gets a little annoying when people treat me like a Mormon. *sigh...mutter mutter*
I think they're facts. I believe them. But you can believe whatever you want. Don't take offense to how I say what I believe and don't tell me how to; that's what you're supposed to do in this forum.
Okay then, Jesus was real so time to lock the topic.
Okay then, Jesus was real so time to lock the topic.
How is it time to lock the topic? This isn't like a question, it's a debate. Therefore, it should never be locked unless the debate either devolves into fail, the OP(not you) requests it, or something else. That sort of thing only applies to newbie questions. There's a difference.
I am not getting into this. The Christians' Christ is fake, the Mormons' Christ is fake, nobody's religion is right. That's me.
Moab, I know your not Mormon. Ok? Your position is that Jesus is real but He wasn't the Christ. That's the same position Thomas Jefferson had. But Jefferson did think that Jesus was a great teacher and should be studied.
So He subtracted all the references out of the Bible to Jesus being the Son of God, and just left His Teachings in tact. He organized it into his own version, for people like you, really. Here's a quote from it:
Thomas Jefferson believed that the ethical system of Jesus was the finest the world has ever seen. In compiling what has come to be called "The Jefferson Bible," he sought to separate those ethical teachings from the religious dogma and other supernatural elements that are intermixed in the account provided by the four Gospels. He presented these teachings, along with the essential events of the life of Jesus, in one continuous narrative.
Moab, if you want, you could learn more about Jesus the teacher, from the man named Thomas Jefferson: Jefferson Bible
Here's a Wikipedia link on this topic. I haven't read it all the way through yeah but so far it seems to offer a reasonable view on the Jesus myth theory.
Wait, don't lock it please!
I have no intention of requesting a lock any time soon. TheDude42 if you haven't got anything worth while to say then I suggest just staying out of this.
So He subtracted all the references out of the Bible to Jesus being the Son of God, and just left His Teachings in tact. He organized it into his own version, for people like you, really. Here's a quote from it:
yielee that's interesting. It sounds to me very much like what the proponents of the Jesus myth theory claim the biblical scholars who claim Jesus was real did to come to such a conclusion.
Oh no, those guys were/are just angry kooks. It's like their wanting to be famous instead of genuine scholars so they fall overboard with there conspiracy opinions just to try to kill Jesus all over again.
I think this one is closer to what you want, but I don't know much about Thomas Jefferson's Deism to know for sure:
Yes, there is scientific proof that at the general time of birth (4-5) A.D. that two planets in our solar system aligned so as to create one bright star (known biblically as the star of Bethlehem).
