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whyismynametom
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Abortion is a well debated topic but to see that is counts as a double homicide if you kill a pregnant woman and not homicide to kill i baby in the womb, i ask how is it that these two do not contradict each other? either killing unborn babies is legal or not, why is this in the middle?

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Freakenstein
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Abortion is a well debated topic but to see that is counts as a double homicide if you kill a pregnant woman and not homicide to kill i baby in the womb, i ask how is it that these two do not contradict each other? either killing unborn babies is legal or not, why is this in the middle?


You just answered your own question. In places where abortion is illegal, if you kill a pregnant woman, the fetus is going to die from a lack of sustenance, so you also killed the fetus in the process, therefore a double homicide. I think it makes perfect sense in this logic.
whyismynametom
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In places where abortion is illegal

but where it is not, that is where the law contradicts itself
Kyouzou
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Welcome to America....Our laws are so tangled up within each other that half the time, you'll follow the law and break the law at the same time. If the double homicide is true, then a pregnant woman could also be charged with child neglect, and abuse if she doesn't eat regularly or takes drugs that may be harmful to the fetus' development.

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I love America.
and sarcasm

Freakenstein
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but where it is not, that is where the law contradicts itself


If abortion is not legal, then it is just one homicide for killing the woman. However, the mother did not intentionally want the fetus to be 'terminated', so the killer is charged with one homicide and...shoot. What's a charge for 'terminating' a fetus where it's not illegal to abort one? Is there even one?

If the double homicide is true, then a pregnant woman could also be charged with child neglect


Remember that the pregnant woman was the one that was killed. Not only did she not want the fetus to be aborted, but you basically said in your post that you should charge a dead woman for neglect. Which is not true in multiple ways... >_>
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It seems to me a void debate.
The rich get justice, the poor gets the law.
So it depends, as always, on the size of your purse what are you charged.

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I believe it's due to the fact that the mother has no choice in the matter.

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Abortion is legal here (Holland, because well, what's not legal here? :P) and if you murder a pregnant woman you'll go to jail for double homicide. But she can get an abortion within a certain amount of time of the conceivment. I think the difference is that with abortion it is the mothers will, and with murder it isn't.

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Well... I believe only under certain curcumstances should abortion be legal. (rape, abuse, etc.) It's the womans choice to get pregnant in most cases, so when you kill a pregnant woman you are killing two people, the baby and mom.

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ive heard that in some "sacrafices" they kill the mother and the unborn child.

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And I guess that would be a double homicide right there.

Also:

If by not getting an abortion, the woman would definitely die, does that make the baby a killer?

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If by not getting an abortion, the woman would definitely die, does that make the baby a killer?


That makes little sense to me.
How would the baby be the killer?

The mother died in child birth, the baby didn't kill her. Death in child birth is often due to other causes, not the baby itself.

Anyway, what are you going to do, put a baby on trial and send the baby to jail?
Freakenstein
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If by not getting an abortion, the woman would definitely die, does that make the baby a killer?


Noooo! Naturally-occurring phenomenon where the mother dies from child birth cannot and should not cast a burden to a just-born child.
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If by not getting an abortion, the woman would definitely die, does that make the baby a killer?


Noooo! Naturally-occurring phenomenon where the mother dies from child birth cannot and should not cast a burden to a just-born child.



I agree with this. Blaming a baby for a mother's death is just downright wrong. They don't know that they killed their mothers and they weren't young enough to hate their mothers. They should NOT be blamed for the death of the mother.
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but you basically said in your post that you should charge a dead woman for neglect. Which is not true in multiple ways... >_>


Throw her corpse in jail. It'll be funny and wrong at the same time. xD

Anyways, abortion isn't killing. The fetus at the time of its abortion barely even has a cognitive brain, if one at all. It's dead. It was aborted to save the child any future problems in life.

Killing them when they were not supposed to be killed is murder because, just like normal homicide, they were not supposed to die at the hands of an unlawful individual, nor did the mother wish it so.

Anyway, abortion is almost the topic here. It's another of hundreds.
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