Alright so there has been this whole catholic vs athiesm thing going on with armor games, and this is probably gonna be sticking to more of the faith side of things (which i know alot of athiests just cant handle) but ill try to make things a bit more interesting.
So basically this thread isn't supposed to be about some satanic worshipping crap. Thats just messed up. I basically want to see armor games side of this, do you believe that demons actually exist. And by exist, i mean like ghost or angel exist. So basically, are they with us. (wow sounds really bad I know).
Anyways what got me into all this demon stuff, is basically a dream ive had... For 10 days in a row now. Involving some sort of evil supernatural presence. Something evil attacking an innocent person.
So let me discuss my view on all this demonological stuff you've so far been reading about.
K so my take on all this demon crap has originated back to when there were pagans worshipping gods. They believed by sacrificing part of their community (normally humans) that they in turn would recieve bountiful whether, amazing crops, free of disease, or even cure sickness. This of course lasting many many years. Alot of the time, it would continue due to complete fluke (or possibly even the pagan gods would grant them this... gasp). Which also brings me to talk about the christianic holiday Christmas. Yea, basically as much as i hate saying it, this isn't Jesus' birthday. It was most likely in the summer or late spring. The reason the Church made the 25th of december his birthday was to cover up the pagan winter solstace ritual. Which was sacrificing (ive read like 4 different views on this, so its kinda whishy washy when it comes to the exact amount) either 1 person, or a man and a woman, or a virgin.. Yeeaaa messed up. So now instead of celebrating the sacrifice of people, we celebrate Jesus' birth and time with our families. Good job Christianity!!!
Alright so now comes all these other generations, who base there lore off these pagans rituals. For example the incubus, the reapers, evil water demons, wendigo... Ancient lore, based on sitings, and communites trying to please the gods with rituals (not like sacrifcies, but more like burning certain branches, flowers, animals, etc...) sometimes also including blood of people.. This is about the time where these methods became linked with witchraft. Alot of people mixing the two up.. But as you can see its very easy too..
As generations passed these stories came more and more lossely based. The reapers (collectors of souls) became the Grim Ripper (bringer of death). Wendigos probably became the big foor. Water demons, probably became seas monsters accosiated with loc ness... o.0 yea i know weird huh???
K well anyways these demons, actually evil figures were pertrayed way back, even in cave drawings. These evil dwelliing spirites that would have horns on the head, you know like just basically hellish things. Now again this is very loosely based stuff, so it could be anything for all we know, as these cave men could have active imaginations =P.
Throughout the centuries there has been again lore and talk about this evil dwelling over the earth. Examples: The boogy man, that thing under your bed, or even more commonly that thing in your basement. These all originated from ancient european lore. Communities who would have one go missing, would talk about one of those mentioned above. Which of course would get passed around...
Now then these demons, which probably originated from pagans, got passed down through the ages and now christianity has taken it to be the thing they get rid... *exoricism* lol... Anyways its not, and doesn't have anything to do with christianity. Just the catholic church wants to get rid of that which is evil. Its understandable. Classic case? Emily rose... which of course isn't her real name, its annaliese michel. Im pretty sure you've heard of the movie.
Anyways i've talked about it. The short: Demons originated from pagans not catholicism. They've been passed down for centuries with many possible sitings, and even possessions. I just want to know what you think..
PS. I was extremely bored, and decided to post this humongus post.. plus i looooooovvvvvveeeeee to type *sarcasm*.
PSS.. Dont call me crazy, i already know that
PSSS... Dont call me a satanist because ive already told you its something from pagan times... before christ... gasp... call me a paganist =0
PSSSS.... This was the shortest version i could post on all this stuff mention, there is ALOT out there on this stuff. So if your seriously interested i can get you some sites...
So basically this thread isn't supposed to be about some satanic worshipping crap. Thats just messed up. I basically want to see armor games side of this, do you believe that demons actually exist. And by exist, i mean like ghost or angel exist. So basically, are they with us. (wow sounds really bad I know).
I don't really see how you can call devil worship 'all this crap' when mainstream Christianity has just as much evidence supporting it, ie., zero.
Also, I'm curious, if you do believe in god and Jesus, let's assume for a second that both do exist. Therefore so would all the other aspects of Christianity, like Heaven and Hell. Heaven has angels. Hell has demons. So surely all Christians, including yourself, believe in demons, they just don't worship them.
do you believe that demons actually exist. And by exist, i mean like ghost or angel exist. So basically, are they with us.
No it's unlikely.
K so my take on all this demon crap has originated back to when there were pagans worshipping gods. They believed by sacrificing part of their community (normally humans) that they in turn would recieve bountiful whether, amazing crops, free of disease, or even cure sickness.
It wasn't all human/animal sacrifice as you imply here. In most pagan cultures human sacrifice was only done in extreme cases. Also keep in mind early Christianity had plenty of sacrificing going on. So the Christian God falls right in line with the rest of the pagan gods in this respect.
The reason the Church made the 25th of december his birthday was to cover up the pagan winter solstace ritual. Which was sacrificing (ive read like 4 different views on this, so its kinda whishy washy when it comes to the exact amount) either 1 person, or a man and a woman, or a virgin.. Yeeaaa messed up. So now instead of celebrating the sacrifice of people, we celebrate Jesus' birth and time with our families. Good job Christianity!!!
While I wouldn't be all that surprised if there were animal/human sacrifice in order to bring weather that you wouldn't die in, it wasn't the celebration of the sacrifice it was the celebration of the season and of the sun god. Though I find funny it got attached t the birthday of every ones favorite sacrificial B*^%& Jesus.
Also keep in mind the Christian church took over Easter which was a fertility celebration and turned it into ...a celebration of a human sacrifice! So yeah Go Christianity for ignoring there own bs and pointing fingers at others.
Alright so now comes all these other generations, who base there lore off these pagans rituals. For example the incubus, the reapers, evil water demons, wendigo...
The incubus is a male version of the succubus. Which functions on a vary similar manner as the old hag which is most likely the result of a medical condition known as sleep paralysis. your Body naturally becomes paralyzed when you sleep in sleep paralysis your not fully awake but not fully asleep so you can't move and can end up seeing things such as demons.
the Grim Reaper came about around the 15th century. Far as I can tell he was a compilation of many concepts. Death as an entity has been around for a long time though. People have an amazing capacity to anthropomorphize things. This is probably how the concept got started.
Considering how easy it is to die out at sea evil water entities being the cause of all ill fortune emerging isn't that surprising at all. As for how this came about see above about the Grim Reaper.
The wendigo is a native American evil spirit. So this is basically just demon in another culture. Based on my talks with actual native Americans who truly believed in these entities. I would have to say they most likely emerged from misunderstanding things like mental illness. Also the concept of wanting revenge also seems to play a factor in some cultures. Keep in mind by just mentioning it your inviting it in so enjoy your wendigo possession.
Anyways i've talked about it. The short: Demons originated from pagans not catholicism. They've been passed down for centuries with many possible sitings, and even possessions. I just want to know what you think..
Not entirely. The word demon is derived from daemon they were lesser spirits or deities and could be either good or bad. The concept of gods being all good was a later invention. After the Christian church took control they went about demoting many pagan gods to daemon status below "the one true God". Eventually the church went about portraying these daemons (eventually demons) as something of pure evil in order to drive people away from other beliefs and into there own.
Thats like saying are you stupid? Of course you are and it is a fact they are.
I think you need to explain what you mean.
So now instead of celebrating the sacrifice of people
Where did you read that pagans used to celebrate humans being sacrificed?
I believe in demons because of one thing, which is legend and storytelling. There is always some truth to the stories, so really it could be aliens we are talking about. we make demons out of whatever we choose. I think humans can be demons, so can animals, so can the wind (you know when your walking up a steep hill and the wind is trying to blow you back down).
I have my own little fantasy about what demons are, and right now Im looking at the corperations (you never know, they might really be lizard people)
Why couldnt there be demons? Why couldnt there be angels? Why couldnt there be ghosts? Alot of things are possible, especially with the knowledge that there have been recording of exorcisms and such. Why not is all im saying...
Why couldnt there be demons? Why couldnt there be angels? Why couldnt there be ghosts? Alot of things are possible
There could be demons, angels, and ghosts. Anything is possible but this I highly doubt A reall life Demon. Ya right. there is no such thing as a demon.
We Muslims don't have a concept of demons as such, but I guess what you call demons would be Djinn to us. They are beings of fire which live on a different plane of existence from us humans, and they have the capacity to do good or evil, just like humans. Satan himself was a rogue Djinn.
Alright so now comes all these other generations, who base there lore off these pagans rituals. For example the incubus, the reapers, evil water demons, wendigo... Ancient lore, based on sitings, and communites trying to please the gods with rituals (not like sacrifcies, but more like burning certain branches, flowers, animals, etc...) sometimes also including blood of people.. This is about the time where these methods became linked with witchraft. Alot of people mixing the two up.. But as you can see its very easy too..
Actually... most protestant people like me believe what is in most Christian and Jewish scriptures, That when the angels who followed Lucifer followed him down to Hell whenever he was struck down from heaven, and these angels who follow lucifer were soon named "demons" and were soon portrayed as such...
