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MrDayCee
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I know that a lot (maybe even most) of the users here on Armor Games are American based, but I still would like to talk about the upcoming Formula 1 Championship this year!

Who is likely to become champion 2010 with the drivers?; Which team will be champion 2010?; Which rookie team will be doing great in 2010?; What driver will not fullfill the promiss to do great?; What's the best/most beautiful Grand Prix for this year's calendar of F1?; What Grand Prix would you visit if possible?; Etc...

So if there's anyone on Armor interested in this cool, fast and challenging sport... speak up!! =D

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waluigi
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I have to agree with that. I think Vettel will have a nice "conversation" with his team about that. i also noticed the McLaren's almost did the same thing. They made contact in turn 1 when they were going at each other. I think a few more laps to the race, the McLaren's would have run out of fuel and Webber would have won (and Schumi in 2nd).

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I was jumping for joy at the brilliant pit-strategy reaction done by RBR. Completely had McLaren outsmarted there, which just makes the sting of that grand debacle all the more painful.

I read in the news that Vettel maintains that Webber should have given way because he made the pass on the inside. I maintain that Vettel was in the wrong for the following reasons:

1) Webber did not deviate from his line at all throughout the entire straight. His line (and steering wheel) was straight as a tack.

2) Therefore what caused the accident was Vettel jinxing right, perhaps in order to get a better line heading into the hairpin section (approaching it from the inside would force the car incredibly wide and the momentum would have been completely stuffed up for the next two hairpins).

3) A car in front doesn't have to give way to a car coming from behind. F1 rules (and etiquette) only dictate that a car defending the line can only make a single defensive maneuver by switching lines in any segment. But Webber wasn't even defending: Vettel was coming from behind. The exact same thing happened with Hamilton throughout the first twenty laps of the race up to the pit, and we didn't see Hamilton running Webber off the road now, did we! He backed off, and that's professional conduct.

In my opinion, since both cars had hit their top speed by the end of the straight, Vettel, after realising his line was crap, if he was older and wiser, would have backed off, gone for a better line and tried to draft Webber on the finishing straight. Since he didn't actually get further than abreast of Webber I wouldn't even call it a pass, more like an extended look-in.

But what's done is done, and I can understand where he's coming from. As a young rookie with plenty of talent, he's been struggling with an unreliable car as of late while his veteran teammate Webber has been shining, and that's gotta rub. But hopefully he'll learn that you shouldn't play chicken with your teammate! How the RB drivers go from here and how they interact will be crucial in the coming rounds.

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Turned out to be a dull race with only two 'highlights' being Webber and Vettel's high speed crash and Hamilton and Button's wheel banging, shame...
I was hoping that the rain would eventually come and make things interesting again midway of the race, but the weather gods decided to hold on to their water... dang... =(

About the first highlight of the day... from what I've witnessed, I think Vettel was a little too quick with steering right and with that eliminated himself and his team mate from a sure double finish. Allthough it seems that team captain Christian Horner immediately shouted to Webber that he should give Vettel room to manouver over the radio (which is understandable in the TEAM'S point of view...), I think it's not Webber's fault for not wanting to move an inch and keep the clean racing line towards the next turn...
It's like you said Strop, it's probably the rookie in Vettel that made him jump for joy too quick and with that ending up in the mud instead of on the podium. And it is (of course) very understandable when you seem to have a great car at the beginning of a season, but end up with car trouble every time during the course of it and in the meantime your team mate is standing in the spotlights because he's winning races! There will always be that jaleousy that ultimately gets the worst of you and you end up wanting to much to handle...
But I'm confident that he still isn't ruled out for this season... beware... =P

Schumacher (yes, I'm sorry, I HAVE to talk about him) seems to be on the way back to the top, but allthough he did a great job in finishing 4th and in front of his team mate Rosberg (very important), I'm a little cautious with saying that he is back in business... could very well be that they both only were the best of the rest, in terms of setup and strategy, for this GP only.
When more races follow and he maintains this position and maybe steals a podium here and there, only then I will shout out and applaud that he's back to the top where he once belonged... we'll see!

Results of the race make it all the more interesting in the championship standings!
If the whole season will be like we had so far, it will turn out to be the best season (overall) that we've had for years!!! *fingers crossed* =D

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# Race results GP Istanbul - Turkey:
_1 HAMILTON - Race winner!

_2 Button
_3 Webber
_4 Schumacher
_5 Rosberg
_6 Kubica
_7 Massa
_8 Alonso
_9 Sutil
10 Kobayashi
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# Drivers Championship:
Now: Before: ______Points:
__1_ ___1___ Webber____93
__2_ ___4___ Button_____88
__3_ ___7___ Hamilton___ 84
__4_ ___3___ Alonso_____79
__5_ ___2___ Vettel_____ 78
__6_ ___6___ Kubica______67
__7_ ___5___ Massa_____ 67
__8_ ___8___ Rosberg___ 66
__9_ ___9___ Schumacher 34
_10_ __10___ Sutil______ 22
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# Constructors Championship:
_1 McLaren Mercedes__ - 172
_2 RBR Renault_______ - 171
_3 Ferrari____________ - 146
_4 Mercedes GP______ - 100
_5 Renault___________ - _73
_6 Force India Mercedes - _32
_7 Williams Cosworth___ - __8
_8 STR Ferrari________ - __4
_9 BMW Sauber Ferrari_ - __1
10 Lotus Cosworth_____ - __0
11 HRT Cosworth________ - __0
12 Virgin Cosworth_____ - __0
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In addition to the RBR-crash: Vettel keeps persisting that it's not his fault, but he has no grudge against Webber and says that, allthough they can't use such actions in the season, his relationship with his team mate has gotten no scars after this incident... really hope so! =D

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So... who's excited about the upcoming Canadian GP?
Can't wait to see Kubica crash again... LOL =P

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An interesting race it was in Canada... does that say enough about it? =P

Webber turned out to be the unlucky one before the race had even started and was set back a couple of places for changing a part in his gear box, shame...
The usual BCC (Big Canadian Crash) was absent and the exciting factor of this race turned out to be the choice of tyres at the beginning of and during the race!
Even though I'm not a fan of him (clearly), I still have to congratulate and give all the proper respect to Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button! They did what was needed and with a good tyre strategy, managed to make it a double for the McLaren team, very good for the championship standings! =D

Alonso, Webber and Vettel couldn't break throught the barrier both McLaren drivers layed down and allthough Alonso had the best chance at one point, it was a matter of 'resistance is futile'...

As for my personal favorite: Schumacher had some bad luck even though he started with the best tyre strategy and made after a few laps to 3rd place! But the race was long and in the end it turned out to even be a few laps TOO long for him... both ForceIndia drivers managed to kick Schumi back from 9th to 11th place and out of the places earning points... But I have to note that Liuzzi did his overtaking in the ruffest way possible, with wheel banging and all! Not a clean move from him, but hey, that's racing I guess...

Now for the results! No big changes in the championship standings...
But it's still excitingly close!!! =D

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# Race results GP Montreal - Canada:
_1 HAMILTON - Race winner!

_2 Button
_3 Alonso
_4 Vettel
_5 Webber
_6 Rosberg
_7 Kubica
_8 Buemi
_9 Liuzzi
10 Sutil
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# Drivers Championship:
Now _ _______Points:
__1_ ___3___ Hamilton___109
__2_ ___2___ Button____ 106
__3_ ___1___ Webber___ 103
__4_ ___4___ Alonso_____94
__5_ ___5___ Vettel______90
__6_ ___8___ Rosberg___ 74
__7_ ___6___ Kubica_____73
__8_ ___7___ Massa_____67
__9_ ___9___ Schumacher 34
_10_ __10___ Sutil_______23
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# Constructors Championship:
_1 McLaren Mercedes__ - 215
_2 RBR Renault_______ - 193
_3 Ferrari____________ - 161
_4 Mercedes GP_______- 108
_5 Renault___________ - _79
_6 Force India Mercedes - _35
_7 Williams Cosworth___ - __8
_8 STR Ferrari________ - __8
_9 BMW Sauber Ferrari_ - __1
10 Lotus Cosworth_____ - __0
11 HRT Cosworth______ - __0
12 Virgin Cosworth_____ - __0
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he started with the best tyre strategy


Well now I contend that Webber had the best "initial tyre strategy", only that it turned out even the hard compounds were getting completely shredded by the track D: Schumacher ended up doing, what, thirty laps on softs?

Also I note there were a lot of pending investigations, I wonder what the news is on those. It's unclear to me whether Schumacher broke the "one defensive move per segment" rule that was created just for him (I still can't get over that lol), or his tyres were just that bad he couldn't even brake in a straight line anymore. And of course a few other shunts and bumps were a little equivocal... unlike a certain incident back in Istanbul >_>

My concern now is that the season's evolution now depends on that cursed f-duct! MLM have firmly taken the reins from RBR, both psychologically and technologically, but there's still well over half a season to go.
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Schumacher hates losing. When he saw that the Ferrari was going to pass him, he purposely closed Massa's trajectory, forcing the Brazilian to hit the wall.

MrDayCee
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Massa could have kept a little more distance there... I mean... it's not like he was going to be able to pass him like that... =P

But we'll see what they will come up with for the next Grand Prix! LOL XD

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Well, what an interesting turn of events transpired this past week! I was sad to miss watching a historic return to Silverstone, which afforded many surprises: the cursed Ferraris, the fantastic charge of Button, and, of course, Webber's win and subsequent "Not bad for a number two driver!" Given my focus, the events surrounding that controversial front wing are what I'm most interested in, and I do worry about any consequent tensions that may arise within the team. Vettel seemed to let slip post-qualifying that the team did know that the wing was superior, undermining earlier efforts of the team principal Christian Horner. And this is the first time I've seen Webber make frankly unrestrained comments about his feelings on the situation. Karmic justice? I wonder whether the black clouds overhead will unleash a disruptive storm or whether they will pass away with no further developments.

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Silverstone was seemed crazy again, though not as much as in Valencia. I find it amazing that so many issues occurred. At least two flat tires in the race, and Schumacher, Rosburg, and De La Rosa had parts come off of their cars.

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With the absence of results from MrDayCee, I'll go ahead and post them.

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# Race results GP Silverstone - England:
_1 Webber - Race winner!
_2 Hamilton
_3 Rosburg
_4 Button
_5 Barrichello
_6 Kobayashi
_7 Vettel
_8 Sutil
_9 Schumacher
10 Hulkenburg
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# Drivers Championship:
Now: ______Points:
__1_ ______ Hamilton____145
__2_ ______ Button_____133
__3_ ______ Webber___ 128
__4_ ______ Vettel_____121
__5_ ______ Alonso_____ 98
__6_ ______ Rosburg_____90
__7_ ______ Kubica_____ 83
__8_ ______ Massa___ 67
__9_ ______ Schumacher 36
_10_ _____ Sutil______ 35
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# Constructors Championship:
_1 McLaren Mercedes__ - 278
_2 RBR Renault_______ - 249
_3 Ferrari____________ - 165
_4 Mercedes GP______ - 126
_5 Renault___________ - _89
_6 Force India Mercedes - _47
_7 Williams Cosworth___ - _31
_8 BMW Sauber-Ferrari_-_15
_9 STR Ferrari__________-_10
_8 STR Ferrari________ - __4
_9 BMW Sauber Ferrari_ - __1
10 Lotus Cosworth_____ - __0
11 HRT Cosworth________ - __0
12 Virgin Cosworth_____ - __0
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Seems Lance can't catch a break anymore.

waluigi
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That thread (tour de France) is pretty much dead.

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Well the Grand prix of Germany is complete, but with much drama, as Ferrari has been accused by the race stewards of team orders, which I thought was obvious from the transmission given to Massa and Massa giving his teammate first place. Will see what happens. the next race is at the Hungaroring in Budapest, Hungary.

# Race results GP Hockenheim - Germany:
_1 Alonso - Race winner!
_2 Massa
_3 Vettel
_4 Hamilton
_5 Button
_6 Webber
_7 Kubica
_8 Rosburg
_9 Schumacher
10 Petrov
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# Drivers Championship:
Now: ______Points:
__1_ ______ Hamilton____157
__2_ ______ Button_____143
_T3_ ______ Webber___ 136
___________ Vettel_____136
__5_ ______ Alonso_____ 123
__6_ ______ Rosburg_____94
__7_ ______ Kubica_____ 89
__8_ ______ Massa___ 85
__9_ ______ Schumacher 38
_10_ _____ Sutil______ 35
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# Constructors Championship:
_1 McLaren Mercedes__ - 300
_2 RBR Renault_______ - 272
_3 Ferrari____________ - 208
_4 Mercedes GP______ - 132
_5 Renault___________ - _96
_6 Force India Mercedes - _47
_7 Williams Cosworth___ - _31
_8 BMW Sauber-Ferrari_-_15
_9 STR Ferrari__________-_10
10 Lotus Cosworth_____ - __0
11 HRT Cosworth________ - __0
12 Virgin Cosworth_____ - __0
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