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Boomarang66
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Discuss here your views on evolution, based on my opinion it is fake. (btw, natural selection is NOT evolution)

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Moe
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There is one fossil, but it resembles more of a gorilla, instead of a human. With its large femur and hips and the way the stucture of its body is assembled.


There are many fossils, which can be followed to current humans.
adios194
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Ok, I hate answering a troll, but this is just too much to bear.
Technology has made natural selection between humans obsolete because people stopped dieing. If your weak health won't kill you at 10, you can mate and have offsprings, with weak health, and so on.
Natural selection is the survival of the fittest, because weak die!
But, if weak don't die...

How am I trolling? Your right in some ways, but not others. If the technology is stopping the "WEAK" from dying then they won't be weak anymore, thus technology making them strong, making natural selection justified yet again.
There are many fossils, which can be followed to current humans.

?? Your listening to someone who doesn't know what their talking about if you believe your statement. There are so many missing links that at the rate of find vs. fluke we will never have a true time line of "evolution", and without the evidence there is no arguement.
MageGrayWolf
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uhmmm. i'm not well versed in this subject, but my brother is and wrote his senior paper on it.


If that video is part of what he had in his term paper I hope for his grade it wasn't for a biology class, or that the teacher was a creationist as well.

Oh and not a good idea to quote Michael Behe to try and support your argument that evolution is false.
ID poster boy Behe ignores and dismisses empirical evidence

Uhhhh... from memory i remember him talking about how Eyes are impossible to be evolved.. Darwin himself admitted that he was unsure and now people take his theories too far.


You mean how this can't happen?
Evolution of the eye

In my opinion evolution is an ignorant hypothesis that was thought up by someone of high status, thus automatically making it a theory.


Oh those ignorant scientists just making stuff up again because it goes against what religion says. You know it's not like they back up what they say with evidence or anything.
In the 150 years since we have run countless experiments that the theory has stood up to. We have also (in some cases literally) uncovered more evidence then even Darwin could have ever dreamed of that supports the theory.

Evolution is changing,


At least you have an idea of what it is. So your saying we have never seen change in a species before?

yup we all used to be monkeys through out terds at each other. evolution is real.


No humans didn't evolve from monkeys we just share a common ancestor.

based on my opinion it is fake.


For those saying evolution is false. I have a challenge for you.

Find a mouse or any mammal for that matter dating back to the Precambrian era.

Find a transitional fossil between modern animals. Such as the part human part monkey.

On that note, Show an ape giving birth to a human.

Demonstrate an instance when plants or animals just popped into existence. Oh, and no Genesis isn't proof. As I said you have to show it happening. Or in simpler terms "Pics or it never happened".

Now all you have to do is do one of the above to disprove evolution.
BigNick60
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Bogus says I. If we evolved from monkeys, then why are there still monkeys? Adaptation, yes. Full scale evolution, no.

adios194
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"Pics or it never happened".

Show me pics that don't have the ability of being false and I will believe it is true.
Show an ape giving birth to a human.

I said it didn't happen, meaning humans and apes didn't evolve from eachother. In other terms, humans were created and apes were created.
BigNick60
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creation is the way to go. makes more sense to me.

WexMajor82
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I said it didn't happen, meaning humans and apes didn't evolve from eachother. In other terms, humans were created and apes were created.


Prove it.
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Evolution is changing, if you look at natural selection you will see you pick the most adequate fit (best) person to mate with. If you do this everyone will look the same due to everyone looking for the same type of person. Which woul make natural selection not valid, due to everyone looking the same. I do deny evolution as a whole, but it doesn't prove that evolution happens. :P


Sorry but I don't think you understand what evolution and natural selection is.

Also can you tell me how you think humens came to be.
Moe
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How am I trolling? Your right in some ways, but not others. If the technology is stopping the "WEAK" from dying then they won't be weak anymore, thus technology making them strong, making natural selection justified yet again.


Technology does not make them strong, it simply keeps them alive.


Your listening to someone who doesn't know what their talking about if you believe your statement.


Yes, because the place you are getting information is so credible...


There are so many missing links


That label is incorrect.

without the evidence there is no arguement.


Well now I'm confused. You have no evidence and I do.


meaning humans and apes didn't evolve from eachother


Modern apes and humans evolved at the same time.
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boomerang66 is my new favourite poster. There are so many misinterpretations of evolution in here I don't even know where to start. Suffice to say take this nifty little test. If you find yourself unable to reach step 8, do some research, talkorigins.org is a very good place to start. If you reach step 8 and still have problems with the theory, then find some evidence. Have some, show it, have none, shut it.

Freakenstein
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Evolution is changing, if you look at natural selection you will see you pick the most adequate fit (best) person to mate with. If you do this everyone will look the same due to everyone looking for the same type of person. Which woul make natural selection not valid, due to everyone looking the same. I do deny evolution as a whole, but it doesn't prove that evolution happens. :P


Actually no. It cannot be said for human beings in this case, since everyone has different tastes in said compatibilities. What stats I find good in a woman others may think otherwise. Actually...not for ANY organism! What animals fantasize as 'the best animal type to mate with' cannot be given to them, because 1) they are not in their vicinity, or 2) this 'erfect animal type' doesn't think the same with them. If you do not know the mechanics of Natural Selection, then please learn it.

boomerang66 is my new favourite poster.


How is he your new favorite poster when he doesn't even know that one of the most important parts of Evolution is Natural Selection? OF COURSE it's part of it! Or were you being sarcastic?
MageGrayWolf
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Show me pics that don't have the ability of being false and I will believe it is true.


Really your going to focus on the half joking over simplification of that sentence? Basically I'm asking for an instance where a plant or animal popped into existence that can be observed, tested and is repeatable.

I said it didn't happen, meaning humans and apes didn't evolve from eachother. In other terms, humans were created and apes were created.


One of the points with that being if it did happen it wouldn't prove evolution but DISPROVE it. Any of those things on that list would disprove evolution. Offer any of them up and you've done it, you've proven evolution false.

I hope that clears up your confusion.
FireflyIV
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Or were you being sarcastic?


What do you think?

What people don't believe is that if you have enough of time, then you can start with a simple bacteria at the bottom of the ocean and finish with a human orbiting the planet.


I hate the ''I believe in micro, not macro evolution, fish can't turn into birds'' response. The blunt ignorance in statements like that make me want to leave this planet and live on Mars, or Sweden.
Freakenstein
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Now all you have to do is do one of the above to disprove evolution.


Or these:

[quote=HolySmoke.Org]Observation of spontaneous generation of a modern lifeform either from nothing or from nonliving elements.

Explanation of how totally independent dating methods agree
so well if the dates they show are wrong.

Evidence showing that all remains of Earth are younger than
1 million years.

Example of total genetic discontinuity (polymerase chain
reaction) between two species considered closely related
by conventional science.

Example of two species considered separated by over 100
million years of time by conventional science found to
be contemporaneous.

Example of a fossil considered over 2 million years old by
conventional science showing the exact same genetic makeup as
a modern member of the same species.[/quote]

Any of these proven to be false by Creationist means can debunk parts of Evolution. If you can do this correctly, I applaud and respect you. If you any of these:

[quote=HolySmoke.org]Any quote from secondary sources.

Any statement mischaracterizing evolution.

Misunderstanding of the difference between theory and fact.

Misunderstanding of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics.

Misunderstanding of entropy, order, randomness or
complexity.

Misunderstanding of the use of C-14 dating.

Misunderstanding of isochron dating.

Misunderstanding of nuclear decay.

Misunderstanding of the speed of light.

Appeal to supernatural entities. Such is outside the
framework of science.

Misquoting or distorting someone's statement.

Mischaracterizing a disagreement on the hows of evolution
as doubt of the fact of evolution.

Appeal to your own ignorance "I don't see how else..."
is a description of your personal inadequacy, not that
of conventional science.

Outright lie. It doesn't matter if you didn't know it
was a lie.

Use of argument already thoroughly refuted. You are
responsible for looking these things up.

Appeal to moral consequences. That has no bearing on
truth value.[/quote]

...my respect for you will drop even more. Have fun!
WexMajor82
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And, for quoting Freakenstein again:

Creationism was taken out by science over 138 years ago. All that is left of Creationism are church-based commercial businesses which have a political agenda. These businesses produce Bibles, audio tapes, and video tapes for people to buy. There may be faith within the masses, but to the big guys at the top, it's nothing but big business. There are many Creationists out there in many websites, including armorgames, that produce many of the same arguments that have been debunked many, many times over. They believe in their religion because their masters have told them to believe in it for their eventual salvation upon death. What happens when you die? Again, probably the 5th time I've said this; you lose all control and sense of your body and mind. It doesn't matter if you believe in a salvation or not, you will not sense it! Creationists can always pull out the "spirit" card, but it doesn't matter. They consider evident facts to be a hinderence to their ticket into Heaven or "insert other religious salvation here". They cannot and maybe refuse to listen to other interpretations, all because of the one single rule: if they do and think about it, they will disobey their master and will not get their salvation.

You ever stop and think to yourself that maybe something that's not made out of atoms is not right at all? I get that feeling too.


Thanks.
Truer words were never spoken.
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