ForumsWEPRIs money good, ok, or bad?

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billybobjo2
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I pretty much said it. Is money good, ok, or bad?

Please state why you think what you think.

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WexMajor82
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Ok. So I want to buy a ship.
How many sheeps do I have to bring to the ship owner to make the change?
Do you find it feaseable?

TrayDogenzaka
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Yeah, I do.
I'm not saying use sheep as money. It was an example.

If you wanted to buy a ship, like a yhott, then you would trade something of equal value. Trade a lot of land with some houses, trade a combination of smaller boats, vehicles, and supplies, trade something. Trade a few hundred thousand sheep. Trade something the person with the ship needs that's close to value of the ship.

So yeah, I find it feasible.

WexMajor82
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And we will then have bank account with houses, ships, cars and chikens, cows, sheeps?
I'd love to watch the chaos consume us.

TrayDogenzaka
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Who said we would have and need banks? If we had a trade system, we'd never need banks. We'd have our ships at ports, our cars in garages, our houses on our land, our chickens, cows, and sheep on our farms. If we needed more land, trade some stuff for land, and put the extra stuff on it. See?

WexMajor82
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You seem not to understand how the modern trade system works.
It's all digitalized, and it would be a total chaos with the barter system.
Money is just a medium for barter to happen more easly.

TrayDogenzaka
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Not really. With money, you're trading gold for something. At least, in America that's what it is. The US dollar is just gold put in paper form. But see, with this dollar, we're trading paper for a house, instead of gold. Paper can be forged. Once you get someone making fake money, you get more money in the system than there is gold in the treasury. Once you get that, you get inflation. Suddenly your gold isn't worth anything. Now, if we were using the stuff we actually had to trade, like land, animals, food, water, and the such, then they would be worth what they're worth. Not worth less cause there's more in the area. Besides, like I said, with money comes corruption. If you have a billion dollars, you think you own the world, and thus you start doing stuff that you shouldn't, like bribing people. You can't bribe someone if you don't have a lot of money, and you can't bribe someone with an animal, or with food, cause they don't NEED animals and food. They need money to get what they need. I'm not saying money is a bad concept, I'm saying we MADE it bad.

And yes, I like using sheep as an example.

WexMajor82
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You should not teach an Italian about fake money.
We invented it, and we invented the anti forgery system.
The power corrupts, if by having land and houses comes power too...
And gold is yet another medium for trade.

TrayDogenzaka
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Actually, Gold is a resource. Gold can be used for a lot of things, but things like the dollar can't. The dollar can be used for like, two things. It can be used to buy stuff, and it can be used as firewood.

WexMajor82
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And we can all decide togeter that 1 sheep = five tuna?
Maybe next week 1 sheep = seven tuna
Oh, look, inflation....

7432200
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money is bad in the sense that it causes greed which is the reason for almost all of our problems. but on the other hand money increases things like trade and manufacturing.

And we can all decide togeter that 1 sheep = five tuna?
Maybe next week 1 sheep = seven tuna
Oh, look, inflation....


lol

that actually brings me to my second point which it well yeah inflation kinda screws things up.... and when i say kinda i mean A LOT it wreaked zimbabwe now 1 us dollar is 1 billion in zimbabwe, i hear there are million dollar bills and still things cost hundreds of times more than that.
TrayDogenzaka
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And we can all decide togeter that 1 sheep = five tuna?
Maybe next week 1 sheep = seven tuna
Oh, look, inflation....


It doesn't work like that in trade. In trade, it's not like you go to some meeting and go "This = this, no matter what."
That would = money. It depends on the need of something. If one area of people needs food, and another area of people has a lot of it, then the are needing it will give more stuff for the food, because they need it.
BeastMode10
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The lack of standards in trade makes trading extremely ineffecient. Instead of agreeing on set values, traders must bargain for unnecessary amounts of time to settle for a trade that satisfies both parties. Instead of "here's five bucks, I'll take a double cheeseburger", with trade, it would become more like, "I'll pay 4 sheep for this double cheeseburger-no wait 6 sheep-no wait 5 sheep-ok fine 5 sheep".

TrayDogenzaka
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The lack of standards in trade makes trading extremely ineffecient. Instead of agreeing on set values, traders must bargain for unnecessary amounts of time to settle for a trade that satisfies both parties. Instead of "here's five bucks, I'll take a double cheeseburger", with trade, it would become more like, "I'll pay 4 sheep for this double cheeseburger-no wait 6 sheep-no wait 5 sheep-ok fine 5 sheep".


Hey, at least you're not getting ripped off by 4 bucks on that cheeseburger. =/
German3945
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The problem with bartering in a large economy is that it is increasingly harder to find a coincidence of two people who have what each wants. When this doesn't happen, you can't trade. Say it's a trading economy and you have a pig or homemade smoked pulled pork and ribs... but wait, the guy that has those new DVDs you want is jewish. aawwww cccraap.
Looks like you aren't getting those DVDs now huh?

And without money, there is much less distribution of goods.

sourwhatup2
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Money is okay in some things I suppose just like German said.. without it there is less distribution of goods and such.. but sometimes money can be bad.. in multiple ways.

Money can lead to economical stress mainly.. *cough* Usa..

But yeah.. I have to say it's needed I guess..

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