ForumsWEPRIs there truely a separation of church and state?

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kuraikane
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In the education system I really don't think they do a good job of this. I think, in something like history class, where people's beliefs are relevant to understand why something happens, it's ok to teach religion. In ENGLISH however, though they don't teach religion, they sort of expect you to know things about the bible. And christianity. I find this ridiculous. Like we are Slaughterhouse 5 and a question my teacher had on the board was how vonnegut revised the bible to the form he had in the book that had to do with tralfamador or something.

I have never read the bible. I thought he had simply relaced words. But, according to another classmate who answered, he changed basic plot things. I don't remember what. I was sitting there with no idea what she was talking about! SO, they pretty much expect that we had read the bible. I go to a PUBLIC school.

Comments on this? Do you really think there is a true separation of church and state? Examples you have had?

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LiL_GaNgSta_BlAzE
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It's your own responsibility and that of your parents/family to teach you of your religion.

So, what you claim is, that the school does not teach you enough about your own religion, and that they should. I don't think so, it's your rel;igion, and if your this devoted, then you should read the bible.

Not have it forced down the throats of others for the sake of one, know what I mean? People read religious text regarding other religions all the time - to better understand that religion. Why can you not do the same?

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I got another question: How does the curriculum of one school, possibly the curriculum of one county, about discussion of the supposed changing of the Bible have anything to do with Separation of Church and State?

Separation of Church and State has to do with actual laws that never are based on religion. Ever take a closer look on the first amendment? We cannot make laws based on religion and we cannot prohibit religion. It's like saying federal law making residents go to church every Sunday at 9:00 AM. It cannot happen.

My English classes had frequent bouts of religious discussions and assignments alongside standard curriculum. I don't know what's up with yours.

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It's your own responsibility and that of your parents/family to teach you of your religion.

So, what you claim is, that the school does not teach you enough about your own religion, and that they should. I don't think so, it's your rel;igion, and if your this devoted, then you should read the bible.

Who said it was her religion?
LiL_GaNgSta_BlAzE
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Who said it was her religion?


Again, any religion in general? Does it matter, is it worth the trouble, when in fact, you could learn more on the Internet then you could in school, day by day, trying to write test's.....?

And most people that post a thread like this, take example from their own daily lives and events, thus it was mearly speculation.
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Doesn't matter. Public schools cannot teach religion because it is public; despite being one school out of one county with different curriculum, there is a good chance that many students will have different religious views, and therefore be distraught about having to be taught about ones that conflict with theirs. It cannot happen.

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I enjoyed my school life of no religion hour.
All the weeks passed in school I had my hour of free time.
Because I was not baptized and so I didn't attend to lessons.
But a lot of my schoolmates (who were baptized) Didn't attend to religion class.
And I live in Italy (pretty far from the Pope, I must admit).
And, for the separation of church and state, it's partial.
Because politician always try to get votes, based on the religion of voters. Ever heard of anti-abortion laws? For the church it's a sin, so to get votes, Bob the politician approves it.

kuraikane
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I'm not devout. I'm actually non-religious.
I'm just saying that in a school that doesn't teach religion they shouldn't expect the students to know that much about religion.

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The bible is a commonly studied book and the way it was presented didn't seem to be in a religious fashion. Honestly it sounds like you should have known this from something that was taught earlier in the year as all your classmates knew the answer.

For the church it's a sin, so to get votes


Nah. But this isn't the forum for this.
LiL_GaNgSta_BlAzE
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I'm not devout. I'm actually non-religious.
I'm just saying that in a school that doesn't teach religion they shouldn't expect the students to know that much about religion.


Religion is taught, but to an extent, to widen the students reach of knowledge regarding religion in total, and not that of one view but of many.

Also, was the question posed to whoever knew the answer or was the teacher asking all in the class?
kuraikane
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Religion is taught, but to an extent, to widen the students reach of knowledge regarding religion in total, and not that of one view but of many.


Yes, that's part of the reason they teach you some religion in history.

It was sort of a warm-up quetion. We all answer individually and then we discuss it.
samy
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Again it doesn't sound like this was religious at all.

I could study the Torah and not be Jewish; studying the bible isn't something that only Christians do but something everyone needs to do because of it's immense importance in society.

kuraikane
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Yes, knowing some basic things from the bible is important. Like the tennets and all that. But the question that was asked required us to be able to know more specific things like which passage from the bible the book was referencing. And how vonnegut changed that passage.

I don't necessarily think that reading and studying the bible is that important. One should just know some basic things from it.

Also, I would like to point out that this was a random question that we had never discussed before.

samy
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But the question that was asked required us to be able to know more specific things like which passage from the bible the book was referencing. And how vonnegut changed that passage.


It sounds like that's a question that dealt specifically with what your learning in class though. I'm a Christian and I've never heard of Vonnegut so I'm assuming the question came from a secular basis.
kuraikane
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Vonnegut is a post-modern author and the novel was an anti-war novel mixed with a bit of science fiction.

samy
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Vonnegut is a post-modern author and the novel was an anti-war novel mixed with a bit of science fiction.


Was he the author of the book then and did the bible verse have implications to the book?
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