So I just have a question to every one. What is the point in proving god to not exist? What makes it worth while to sit and flip out on people, the goverment, schools, kids, parents.....that they are wrong, and science is wrong?
I understand having an oppinion, and trying to get others to beilve that. But Have any of you heard of Pascals wager?
What he said was basically, if you belive in god, and he is real, you lived a good live, and if you belive in god, and he's not real, you lost nothing, but lived a life of good morals, which I will touch on in a second. However, If he is real, and you didn't beilve you go to hell. And if you didn't beilve and he isn't real, then you lost nothing, other then being remembered as a person who didn't care about morals.
I would like you to go read the ten commandments, and the other moral wrongs in the bible. How are ANY of them bad?
All I'm really trying to gather here, is what is the point in tryign to prove god as fake? Why does it matter if you beilve in god? And what do you lose by beilveing in him?
Then I suppose you take Genesis 1:6-8 literally as well? Where it says that heaven separates the water on the earth from the water above the earth... However there is no water above the earth. Or how about the numerous passages which state that the Earth is the center of our universe and that it is immovable and all revolves around it? Yep, god's perfect word got that one wrong too.
[quote]That verse means that we can't be rich if we expect to be in heaven.
who said it meant that? humans? changing the word of god to suit themselves?[/quote] You are leaving out the rest.
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
-Matthew 19:16-22
That man wouldn't follow Jesus because he didn't want to give up his possesions.
I hope with "God" you mean the Flying Spaghetti Monster... Otherwise you'll burn in hell!!!
Are you referring to the part where I forgot to capitalize God?
You say every word in the bible is right, from your point of view it has been told from God to people then copied thousands of times, translated into Latin,changed by every new king of each country it was in and then translated into German and then English. How after all this time and human corruption could it be word for word true?
However there is no water above the earth. You're forgetting the atmosphere. The water from below the earth evaporates into the air, then rains down again.
Or how about the numerous passages which state that the Earth is the center of our universe and that it is immovable and all revolves around it?
Could I have one of those verses?
That means that women probably shouldn't, because they are very emotional. Women today are very emotional in the workplace. Dude, you're one of the funniest guys I've ever met!
Powerful emotions can disrupt our judgement.
You say every word in the bible is right, from your point of view it has been told from God to people then copied thousands of times, translated into Latin,changed by every new king of each country it was in and then translated into German and then English. How after all this time and human corruption could it be word for word true?
By staying to the closest translation to the original Hebrew, the KJV.
Are you referring to the part where I forgot to capitalize God? No. I'm referring to the many other religions that say that you'll burn in hell. What's the chance that you picked out the right religion??
The minute I find 1 single piece of evidence that my religion is wrong, I will change. Until then, I consider myself a Seventh-Day Adventist.
Powerful emotions can disrupt our judgement. You're totally right. And FAITH is probably the MOST powerful EMOTION!
The emotions I speak of are negative; anger and the like. Anger will prevent our minds from properly functioning.
Here are just a few points where the bible contradicts itself which God being perfect should not do: GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness. GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
GE 1:11-12, 26-27 Trees were created before man was created. GE 2:4-9 Man was created before trees were created.
GE 1:20-21, 26-27 Birds were created before man was created. GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before birds were created.
GE 1:24-27 Animals were created before man was created. GE 2:7, 19 Man was created before animals were created.
GE 1:26-27 Man and woman were created at the same time. GE 2:7, 21-22 Man was created first, woman sometime later.
GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction. LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)
GE 1:31 God was pleased with his creation. GE 6:5-6 God was not pleased with his creation. (Note: That God should be displeased is inconsistent with the concept of omniscience.)
GE 2:4, 4:26, 12:8, 22:14-16, 26:25 God was already known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) much earlier than the time of Moses. EX 6:2-3 God was first known as "the Lord" (Jahveh or Jehovah) at the time of the Egyptian Bondage, during the life of Moses.
GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit. GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.
The emotions I speak of are negative; anger and the like. Anger will prevent our minds from properly functioning.
How is faith not negative? It caused 9/11, the crusades,AIDS to get as bad as it is,slavery and the war on terror. It causes anger much more then anything else.
The minute I find 1 single piece of evidence that my religion is wrong, I will change. So what about all the other holy books that have just as much validity as the bible?
for the Koran:
Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a Lamp [siraaj] and a Moon giving light [noor] (25:61)
The moon doesn't give off light. etc,etc...
GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness. GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
The light that God created was supplied from him at that time.
GE 1:28 God encourages reproduction. LE 12:1-8 God requires purification rites following childbirth which, in effect, makes childbirth a sin. (Note: The period for purification following the birth of a daughter is twice that for a son.)
Yes, LITERALLY unclean. The bleeding continues some time after birth. They were supposed to wash before entering the temple to not contaminate it with blood.
The emotions I speak of are negative; anger and the like. Anger will prevent our minds from properly functioning.
1. like harryconnot said: Religion can cause anger! 2. Anger will prevent our minds from properly functioning: Religion too! 3. anger is rather a problem with man than with women...
The minute I find 1 single piece of evidence that my religion is wrong, I will change. Until then, I consider myself a Seventh-Day Adventist.
There are soooooo many flaws in the bible... Isn't that evidence enough??
How is faith not negative? It caused 9/11, the crusades,AIDS to get as bad as it is,slavery and the war on terror. It causes anger much more then anything else.
It is not wrong to believe something. It is wrong to murder, and to have slaves, etc. No man is wrong to believe something.
The emotions I speak of are negative; anger and the like. Anger will prevent our minds from properly functioning. 1. like harryconnot said: Religion can cause anger! 2. Anger will prevent our minds from properly functioning: Religion too! 3. anger is rather a problem with man than with women...
Religion is causing anger because of how people act on their belief. The muslims, for example, believe they should kill all infidels, and they act on it. (Hussein, Osama, etc...)
Women also can get angry. One example is common. Its called PMS. look it up
