So I just have a question to every one. What is the point in proving god to not exist? What makes it worth while to sit and flip out on people, the goverment, schools, kids, parents.....that they are wrong, and science is wrong?
I understand having an oppinion, and trying to get others to beilve that. But Have any of you heard of Pascals wager?
What he said was basically, if you belive in god, and he is real, you lived a good live, and if you belive in god, and he's not real, you lost nothing, but lived a life of good morals, which I will touch on in a second. However, If he is real, and you didn't beilve you go to hell. And if you didn't beilve and he isn't real, then you lost nothing, other then being remembered as a person who didn't care about morals.
I would like you to go read the ten commandments, and the other moral wrongs in the bible. How are ANY of them bad?
All I'm really trying to gather here, is what is the point in tryign to prove god as fake? Why does it matter if you beilve in god? And what do you lose by beilveing in him?
God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit were always around.
Actually that's not correct. Jesus was not around in the beginning. He was created at his birth. Lucifer's jealousy was that prior to Jesus' creation he sat at the right hand of God. When Jesus died on the cross Lucifer was replaced by Jesus, hence his jealousy. However this story doesn't fit the timeline of Lucifer being cast down prior to the creation of Mankind so it's just one of many inconsistencies in the Bible.
Furthermore, God allowed Lucifer into the garden to tempt man, and as he's supposed to be all-knowing then he would have known that man would succumb to the temptation before it even happened, thus God made it happen by not intervening, or even by allowing it take place. Had God not replaced Lucifer, had he not allowed Lucifer into the garden, or had he not placed Jesus in Lucifer's place at his right hand then there would have been no sin. As such God is accountable for sin and evil.
But free-will must be true. God gave Eve the choice to eat that apple. Eve simply chose what she believed was "knowledge of good and evil."
You ignored my argument.
Man's predilections are god's fault. God created man with certain predilections that he knows (as an all-knowing god) will lead to evil. One example of this is Adam. God created Adam knowing that the way he created him would lead to suffering for all of mankind, but he went along with it. Is he not, at least in part, responsible of evil? Not only that, but he hasn't even cleaned up his mess by eliminating the predilections towards evil that he gave to Adam, despite it being within his power to do so. Free will, is therefore, not a sufficient response to the problem of evil.
just so you know it is correct because god is 1 person in 3 forms: the father the son the holy spirit when the holy spirit was around so was the father and the son you say he was born later than the other two but actually his birth was just a way to get into earth and out of heaven they didnt just make him appear on earth they made him be born like everyone else.
So then if Jesus was always around, and was always a part of God, why is it that until his crucifixion Lucifer sat at the right hand of God, and why was Lucifer only replaced at that time? Again, it still is an inconsistent timeline as Lucifer was on Earth when Man first came into being, yet that was long before the Crucifixion. So then how did Lucifer rebel against a decision that hadn't been made yet?
So then how did Lucifer rebel against a decision that hadn't been made yet?
maybe god told lucifer that he would be crucified and lucifer didnt want to do that so he left and jesus took the job instead maybe that was the point of lucifer instead he had to give up to his only son but thats just a guess and it doesnt really make sense but i cant answer your question because im not god
Now, I believe that there is no place in the Bible that says that Lucifer was still in heaven when Jesus was on earth. If you can think of a spot, I will gladly look it up. However, I believe it is in Genesis, the first book of the Bible, that Satan is thrown out of heaven.
Correct, Lucifer was cast down before the creation of man. However he was cast down because he was jealous of Man, and because Jesus replaced him at the right hand of God, yet Jesus didn't sit at the right hand of God until after his crucifixion, hence the contradiction I'm pointing out to you.
Wolf, Lucifer became evil, and the source of it, when he became jealous of Jesus and tempted Adam and Eve. Since then he has in fact been the "bad guy." His jealousy is what makes him to this day tempt the hearts of men.
You completely disregarded my argument. For all intents and purposes, Lucifer is only evil in the New Testament, however, you with your incredibly biased and flawed logic refuse to give credit to anything other than your beliefs. I'm not here to disprove your beliefs, for what is the point in that? You would refuse anything I try to say, I am only trying to educate you on the reality of your religion, I am trying to make you CONSIDER and THINK. You sir, however, refuse to do so, and continue to disregard any and all arguments with no true indication that you even, for a moment, you considered both sides. You sir, are, like so many others, truly ignorant.
yet Jesus didn't sit at the right hand of God until after his crucifixion
I believe there may be some confusion with expressions here. Jesus was always "sat at the right hand of God" because he is God. The Bible says Lucifer sat at the right hand of God as the highest created being. Jesus always had supremacy, because he is God.
Lucifer is only evil in the New Testament
Now, hold on a minute. When Lucifer was thrown out of heaven after tempting mankind, he was thenceforth known as Satan. I have done a personal count, and Satan is mentioned 19 times in the Old Testament. Let's look at what Satan means. The name Satan comes from the Hebrew verb satan, which means to resist, or be an adversary. Now, God is the force of ultimate force of good. If someone is an adversary of good, then that person is the opposite of good, which is evil. Therefore, Lucifer is called evil a good few times in O.T. scripture.
I believe there may be some confusion with expressions here. Jesus was always "sat at the right hand of God" because he is God. The Bible says Lucifer sat at the right hand of God as the highest created being. Jesus always had supremacy, because he is God.
If that is true then the entire story about Lucifer's jealousy is moot. The point of the story with Lucifer's rebellion and fall is that he was jealous of being replaced by Jesus as a human. He felt angry that even though angels were first, when God created Mankind he loved them more. Then losing his place at god's right hand to a Man is what led him to rebellion in heaven.
Again, the timelines do not match up at all, and it is a contradictory parable at best.
Now hold on there. The 3 forms of God, the Father, the Son(Jesus), and the Holy Spirit were all around before creation. The 3 forms together created heaven and the angels. Therefore, Lucifer was never replaced, because he was always second.
And what's the point of pretending to believe something? If you don't believe in God, then you just don't believe in God...
I would like you to go read the ten commandments, and the other moral wrongs in the bible. How are ANY of them bad?
I have cited this one pretty often, but here once again: Leviticus 20:13 If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
And there are plenty of other things like that in the bible...
All I'm really trying to gather here, is what is the point in trying to prove god as fake? Why does it matter if you beilve in god?
You should make a difference between "believing in God" and "believing in a Religion"... Religions tell people what to believe in and how to behave. They tell them what's good and wrong but are often based on the thoughts of people who lived thousands of years ago... Most atheist don't try to convince that God doesn't exist but that their religion is wrong!
If a man lies with a male, as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Exactly. Homosexuality is wrong. God split Adam into his female counterpart, Eve.
Therefore shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
-Genesis 2:24 Nowhere does the Bible say that men should join with men.
