"Gov. Jan Brewer (R-Ariz.) signed a bill last week authorizing police to question individuals about their immigration status if they suspect they could be in the country illegally."
What do you think about this?
Not only is this a serious violation of civil rights, but it's economically stupid. Do they realize that within weeks there will be a brown skinned US citizen arrested for "looking" like an illegal? So many US citizens will be arrested or questioned about their status, and it will lead to huge lawsuits against the state.
There are some bad illegals out there, but most illegals are not here to wreck havoc. I can't believe we've gone back in time. We're discriminating based on the color of someone's skin. This law is unconstitutional, and should be vetoed!
The only reason it even got pushed through was because good ol' McCain was behind it. It's sad when a whole party gives into the misguided beliefs of a incompetent old man and simple minded redneck woman.
Anyway.
This is a massive blow to civil rights and the strides our country has made to become unbiased. As said, the bill allows officers to question anyone in suspect about their immigration status, along with being authorized to ask for proof of said status and arrest them for further investigation if none can be provided.
This is (barely) a step above practices held shortly before the civil war when any colored man, woman or child suspected of being an escaped slave was to be returned to the South.
I just woke up, so I am sure I am missing one or more things. Along with that, I've just avoided all news surrounding this bill in fears of my head just exploding.
its not completely a violation of sivil rights. cause anybody could be an immagrent. and they cant exactly arrest somebody they can pull them over and ask for there green card or wether they were born here or not. anyboyd could be pulled over so its not racist
its not completely a violation of sivil rights. cause anybody could be an immagrent.
Ok, right. Anyone can be an immigrant. Well, anyone of Latino decent that happens to have darker skin pigmentation.
and they cant exactly arrest somebody they can pull them over and ask for there green card or wether they were born here or not. anyboyd could be pulled over so its not racist
No, actually you see...That is exactly what the law is sawing. Loook Hispanic? you can be pulled over, questioned, asked for documents or arrested.
Police already have the right to stop someone on the street and ask to see an I.D., I don't see how this is much different. Without an I.D. you could be arrested anyways, and then they could find out you are an illegal immigrant.
No, actually you see...That is exactly what the law is sawing. Loook Hispanic? you can be pulled over, questioned, asked for documents or arrested.
Not exactly. The Law says that an office can only pull someone over for traffic offenses, or if they witnessed a misdemeanor or felony in their presences.
The "apers" that everyone is upset about is quit simple and something people should have on them. Basically it says you need to have a driver's license, a tribal license, or a non-operating license (basically an ID card). If you're driving a car shouldn't you have the license anyway?
In the Law it says specifically that the law enforcement officer cannot solely use race, color, or national origin in implementing the requirements of the bill.
In the Law it says specifically that the law enforcement officer cannot solely use race, color, or national origin in implementing the requirements of the bill.
So you are going to tell me that a law against potential illegal immigrants has nothing to do with race, colour of one's skin or ethnic background?
Not exactly. The Law says that an office can only pull someone over for traffic offenses, or if they witnessed a misdemeanor or felony in their presences.
Everything I have read about this law so far disagrees with that. And it "requires local police officers to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants" (Link).
So you are going to tell me that a law against potential illegal immigrants has nothing to do with race, colour of one's skin or ethnic background?
I am telling you what the actual law says. People can interpret it different ways.
Here is the actual law: http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070h.pdf
People tend to pull out bits and pieces of it that they will attack without reading the whole thing. They have added more to it to make up for some of the pitfalls in it.
FOR ANY LAWFUL CONTACT MADE BY A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF THIS STATE OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICIAL OR A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY OF A COUNTY, CITY, TOWN OR OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISION OF THIS STATE WHERE REASONABLE SUSPICION EXISTS THAT THE PERSON IS AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES, A REASONABLE ATTEMPT SHALL BE MADE, WHEN PRACTICABLE, TO DETERMINE THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF THE PERSON, EXCEPT IF THE DETERMINATION MAY HINDER OR OBSTRUCT AN INVESTIGATION.
That blatantly says that an officer can stop someone to verify their immigration status when 'reasonable suspicion' exists. Which is, of course, up to the officer in question to determine.
Oh yes, because in Arizona they are worried about all those illegal Asian and Euro immigrants.
It is purposely blurred-line jargon to make it seem as if it is not geared towards one group of people. You can spin anything that is inherently wrong with enough bull political jargon to make it seem more proper.
''NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, A PEACE OFFICER MAY LAWFULLY STOP 21 ANY PERSON WHO IS OPERATING A MOTOR VEHICLE IF THE OFFICER HAS REASONABLE 22 SUSPICION TO BELIEVE THE PERSON IS IN VIOLATION OF ANY CIVIL TRAFFIC LAW AND 23 THIS SECTION.''
''A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON 38 IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED 39 ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.''
What is this probable cause other than looking Hispanic? Contrary to your claims, this bill really does institutionalise racial profiling. It has everything to do with race.
It also allows the arrest of someone on the suspicion of maybye committing a crime. So I guess due process is out of the window aswell.
''EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN FEDERAL LAW, OFFICIALS OR AGENCIES OF THIS 41 STATE AND COUNTIES, CITIES, TOWNS AND OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS OF THIS 42 STATE MAY NOT BE PROHIBITED OR IN ANY WAY BE RESTRICTED FROM SENDING, 43 RECEIVING OR MAINTAINING INFORMATION RELATING TO THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF 44 ANY INDIVIDUAL OR EXCHANGING THAT INFORMATION WITH ANY OTHER FEDERAL, STATE 45 OR LOCAL GOVERNMENTAL ENTITY FOR THE FOLLOWING OFFICIAL PURPOSES:''
It is also violates privacy rights, by allowing the dissemination of personal information.
''A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IS INDEMNIFIED BY THE LAW ENFORCEMENT 28 OFFICERâS AGENCY AGAINST REASONABLE COSTS AND EXPENSES, INCLUDING ATTORNEY 29 FEES, INCURRED BY THE OFFICER IN CONNECTION WITH ANY ACTION, SUIT OR 30 PROCEEDING BROUGHT PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION TO WHICH THE OFFICER MAY BE A 31 PARTY BY REASON OF THE OFFICER BEING OR HAVING BEEN A MEMBER OF THE LAW 32 ENFORCEMENT AGENCY, EXCEPT IN RELATION TO MATTERS IN WHICH THE OFFICER IS 33 ADJUDGED TO HAVE ACTED IN BAD FAITH.''
And assuming an officer does decide to use this new law to pick on Hispanics, he can't even be punished for it!
i dont think its a violation of the civil rights act because what they are doing is basically enforcing immigration laws which dont work in the first place and if you are illegal you should be kicked out of the country.
