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NoNameC68
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Here is a link explaining how the government will begin to keep track of the size and weight of everyone 2 - 18 years old.

I was watching the news and they said "What does the government plan on doing if your child is over weight? Stay tuned to find out."

I wasn't able to make it to the story, so any more information on the bill I linked or anything relating would be awesome.

If you're one of those people who think parents should be fined for having fat children, then go yourself.

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adios194
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I do believe everyone should be in-shape. (that is capable) I am 17, 6'1" 190 lbs. I am trying my best to get back down to 160.

Krizaz
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Well, it would be good to have a universal study of BMI, but since it's in Houston that's good enough. We are getting fatter.

PE is needed, it helps relieve the mind of stress and issues, the same with having a recess or lunch break. It is as needed to the mind and body as music is.

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We have PE in our 9th and 10th grade after that it becomes an optional class... I'm around 5'3 and weigh 135-140 pounds, so I have some flab but I wouldn't consider my self obese...

Krizaz
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We have PE in our 9th and 10th grade after that it becomes an optional class... I'm around 5'3 and weigh 135-140 pounds, so I have some flab but I wouldn't consider my self obese...


Heheheheh! I'm taller than you! Your short for your age, I'm on 8th 5'6''- 145 (Flab is easy to acquire).

I would take that extra P.E. Credit, but it'll probably turn out to be all agility, which sucks.
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im quite short for my age, im in 8th, and im 4"11... :\\ oh well, wat can i do about it??? (nothing) im taking marching band in high skewl, i get half an athletics credit, and half fine arts...

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We have a lot of food today. I would hardly call obesity an epidemic worth waging war against.


After smoking it's the largest cause of preventable death in America. And the rates of obesity are rising. I think it is a serious cause for concern, if by current trends, the majority of your population could be obese in a few decades. The rate at which obesity rates have increased over the past few decades in the US is astounding.

WHO Obesity.

''According to the US Surgeon General, in the USA the number of overweight children has doubled and the number of overweight adolescents has trebled since 1980. The prevalence of obese children aged 6-to-11 years has more than doubled since the 1960s. Obesity prevalence in youths aged 12-17 has increased dramatically from 5% to 13% in boys and from 5% to 9% in girls between 1966-70 and 1988-91 in the USA.''

You go, you do what you can to pass, you leave. Those who continue to work out and stay fit after PE, more often than not, are those who worked out before going into PE.


The goal of PE shouldn't be to get everyone in tip top shape, but provide them with some sort of exercise. If kids are getting absoluely none elsewhere, it's a good thing they are forced to sweat a little for a few hours a week. 2 40 minute sessions per week can maintain your cardiovascular fitness. 3-4 40 minute sessions per week of exercuise increases it. I don't see the harm in either maintaining or increasing the fitness of America's youth. God knows they need it, and the time required to do so isn't that large.

There's no point in going to PE if you are already in a sport or if you honestly don't care to work out. At this point, kids are young adults and have to make some of their own choices. PE should remain open for kids who want to learn how to stay in good shape.


If you are fit and play sport, then train for that sport in PE. If you are unfit and don't play sport, man up and sweat a little. I don't see why kids should be able to choose what classes they take, for something like PE. By the same logic we might aswell let kids drop maths science and English on the grounds that they don't want to be authors, scientists or mathematicians when they're older.

3. We get stuck with a lot of pointless required classes.


That may be true. But that doesn't invalidate the health benefits which can be gained from compulsory PE lessons.
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If you are fit and play sport, then train for that sport in PE. If you are unfit and don't play sport, man up and sweat a little. I don't see why kids should be able to choose what classes they take, for something like PE. By the same logic we might aswell let kids drop maths science and English on the grounds that they don't want to be authors, scientists or mathematicians when they're older.


Because in highschool, we aren't really "kids" anymore. I can only take six classes at a time. If I'm already excercising at home, why should I have to waste one of those six on PE?

If I had taken a PE class last year, I would have had to drop a math, science, or language class. And I wouldn't have been able to test out by participating in an after-school sport, because I was already had an after-school job.

Forcing people to take a PE class isn't going to change anything. What's going to happen when they go to college? When they get a job? Eventually, people are going to have to start voluntarily excercising.

This obesity crisis is only going to go away when people make a conscious choice to be healthy. Forcing health on people will only solve things until they find away around it.
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Hahaha Krizaz, I'm taller than him too!

I'm like 5 foot 5, 7th grade, and I'm 157 pounds. I'm built very large, though. I'm like 20 pounds overweight, but I'm in pretty good shape. This is why I don't think BMI is a good source of measurement - overweight people (like me) can still be fit. If you're just overweight and you're still physically fit, there really aren't many health problems that can come from it, at least for children.

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Im taller than you!
I'm 5'11 and i'm 135-40 pounds. I'm at 8th grade!

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I'm 5'11 and i'm 135-40 pounds. I'm at 8th grade!


o.o.. If your that tall then your underweight..

As for me, I'm 5'7 and around 147 Pounds. I workout a lot.. So I guess that explains it o.0 Kind of. Actually not really.. To play football I have to be 190 Lbs for my height. xD
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There's nothing in PE that will benefit you when it comes to choosing a career. The whole point behind high school is to allow teenagers to figure out what they want to do with their lives and to learn what they can before heading to college. PE should be completely optional in high school.

Like I said, PE should be an every day activity in grade school. By the time you're a teenager, you should have more freedom from classes that may not benefit you.

This may simply be an area where we must agree to disagree.

''According to the US Surgeon General, in the USA the number of overweight children has doubled and the number of overweight adolescents has trebled since 1980. The prevalence of obese children aged 6-to-11 years has more than doubled since the 1960s. Obesity prevalence in youths aged 12-17 has increased dramatically from 5% to 13% in boys and from 5% to 9% in girls between 1966-70 and 1988-91 in the USA.''


Obesity is a problem, but high school PE is not the solution. It is more of an inconvenience than a convenience. As it is, there is no link between high school PE and obesity that I am aware of. Even if there were, I would still be against it because we shouldn't force everyone to take a PE class just because a few people are fat.

To be honest, I think it's the parent's and the student's responsibility to make sure the student isn't fat. If the student is fat, oh well, it doesn't really effect me. Sure, it may raise insurance costs for the rest of us, but that's just unfortunate. I would rather pay a little more insurance than have my life revolve around diets when I am the last person in the world who needs one.
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Because in highschool, we aren't really "kids" anymore. I can only take six classes at a time. If I'm already excercising at home, why should I have to waste one of those six on PE?


It should be a compulsory class. Taking two hours a week out of other lesson time isn't going to mean you have to completely quit another subject. In fact divide 2 hours by 6 and you get 20 minutes. If you spread out those 20 minute slots, that's 20 minutes less teaching time in the other 6 lessons. I think that can be sacrificed for the sake of health.

This obesity crisis is only going to go away when people make a conscious choice to be healthy. Forcing health on people will only solve things until they find away around it.


The only way to affect behavioural change is inorganically. You can't expect anyone to change their behaviour if they have no incentive to quit it, or disincentive to continue down their current path. I'm not claiming PE will solve the crisis, but it seems obvious to me that normalising exercise to children who wouldn't do so otherwise is a sensible thing to do.

There's nothing in PE that will benefit you when it comes to choosing a career. The whole point behind high school is to allow teenagers to figure out what they want to do with their lives and to learn what they can before heading to college.


Education is focused on producing productive members of society, and consequently the workforce. How can this be achieved if people are so fat, they are unable to do menial tasks, and even die at a very young age.

Plus, I am a firm believer in the power of sport for character building. It teaches personal discipline, teamwork and leadership. It is much more important, in my view, in comparison with say, advanced maths, or english literature (assuming of course you don't want to be a mathematician or an author).

This may simply be an area where we must agree to disagree.


I think it comes down to the classic positive vs negative freedom debate. Usually I come down on the side of negative freedom, ie., let people make their own choices, and if they syffer from it, it's their problem. But in this case, I think a lot of damage can be undone by getting kids to exercise. Sometimes kids simply need to be told what to do. I wouldn't have trusted myself to know best about what I wanted to do in life by the time I was in the Brit equivalne of high school. I probably would have dropped maths if I had the choice, since I hated it. As it turns out, I got a job which is very heavily maths based. My point being that kids don't have the knowledge to choose for themselves. All 16-18 year olds think they know best, but they really don't. Me being a prime example.

Obesity is a problem, but high school PE is not the solution.


Let me reiterate, it is not the solution, but it is a small piece of the puzzle.

As it is, there is no link between high school PE and obesity that I am aware of.


I saw Supersize Me the other week and although I can't remember the exact stats, there's a section pertaining to schools, and the lack of PE kids do is highlighted in that. Needless to say, it seems obvious that people not doing any exercise is a contributing factor in child obesity rates.

To be honest, I think it's the parent's and the student's responsibility to make sure the student isn't fat.


It is their responsibility. But letting people get fat without any thought for the consequences. What does that say about society if even trying to educate children about healthy living is frowned upon?

I would rather pay a little more insurance than have my life revolve around diets when I am the last person in the world who needs one.


No one suggested that would be the alternative. Regular exercise is good for everyone of every size and weight.
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I'm 2 years old, 2ft and 432 pounds.

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How can this be achieved if people are so fat, they are unable to do menial tasks, and even die at a very young age.


http://i43.tinypic.com/aucsya.jpg

If obesity was as huge a problem as it's made out to be, life expectancy would start to decline. If obesity was an epidemic, or as big of a problem as people make it out to be, then I would expect to see life expectancy to go down. Yes, if people weren't obese, life expectancy could be up, but we should not be forced to be healthy.

All 16-18 year olds think they know best, but they really don't.


Teenagers are not small children. If you want children who are in the habit of being active, you work on them before they hit puberty. That is why it's important to have PE in grade school. You can't condition teenagers the same way as children unless those teenagers want to be conditioned. That is why it's important for grade schoolers to have PE regularly and recess.

I understand your logic, but I see no point in forcing teens to go to PE if they are going to simply stop being active as soon as PE is over. PE is meant to influence people into working out and staying fit. As soon as you hit puberty, PE isn't influential in the least. Therefore, it is pointless to use PE to influence teens to work out.
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When I was in high school, we had to take three semesters of it. I can't say it was a total waste of time, but there are other classes that I felt would have helped me out more.


You're out of high school? I thought we were the same relative age? Huh.

Well in 9th grade we took three trimesters of P.E. in different forms-- two periods of P.E., two periods of swimming, and two periods of health. It's mostly learning about various exercises than anything else. Learning how to swim, learning about the various exercises and how to stay fit, and learning about what helps/hurts your body.

There is a difference between P.E. and Fitness Center (course in my school). I see the former nothing more than various sports and exercises to play/perform, and Fitness Center as the source for learning how to get fit and actually doing so. It's an easy A, but it can be hard depending on the amount of effort you put into it. I'm not in the class myself, but I've seen at the beginning of the trimester, a group of overweight sophomores coming out of the trimester, average weight and muscular. It honestly works when you see the before and after experiences.

To be honest, I think it's the parent's and the student's responsibility to make sure the student isn't fat.


This is another big thing right here. Children instinctively mimic their parents and depend on them for food, health, and whatnot. If they let their kids eat whatever at any given amount without any thought of 'health' in their mind, then they are not doing a good job. And saying "you can have that twinkie after you eat those peas" is not a good exercise to practice. Parents need to practice good forms of health and exercising in their kids' early years so they learn that this is the good way to live healthy.
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