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CrimsonRose
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This topic is based upon your personal opinion on whether abortion is wrong or right. I personally believe that it is wrong, and have many reasons for it. You may challenge me if you wish, but please make sense!

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shadowfyre541
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Well, that depends on what you think is the time it takes for the baby to not just be 2 joined cells, but an actual living human being, and that depends on your definition of the term living human being.

XXAlienGirlXX
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Then keep on fighting girl. Just remember that you have no right to impose your beliefs on others, especially where those beliefs have no factual basis and would limit another person's exercise of their freedoms.


Actually I have the right to say my opinions, that is called freedom of speech.
Efan
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those beliefs have no factual basis and would limit another person's exercise of their freedoms.
Crazy_Chris_84
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Abortion, right or wrong.

Something is only considered as right or wrong per the individual's view on a certain thing.

This whole debate about abortion being right or wrong is way too general.

There are times where it would be both considered as good and bad. It just depends on the sub-instance on what abortion is used for.

Example: A woman is raped and gets pregnant. She gets an abortion, but with this instance, everyone would view it as good and bad.

GOOD: A person would say that the woman should not care for the child, one of which she never wanted in the first place.

BAD: A person would ask, So why did the child have to die? It is an innocent life!

And now we get into the famous sub-topic, Where Does Life Begin?

Another example is this. Who is to say it is right or wrong? In order for society to TRUTHFULLY say that it is bad or good, ALL MEMBERS OF SOCIETY MUST BE UNDER A UNIFIED VIEW! So it truely comes down to the individual.

Therefore, for the time being, abortion is neither right nor wrong.

Thanks for reading this in case you made it this far.

Crazy_Chris_84
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My apologies, I did not know that the word censored with five stars was not apropriate. I shall rephrase that statement:

Example: A woman gets involuntarily pregnant.

Efan
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ALL MEMBERS OF SOCIETY MUST BE UNDER A UNIFIED VIEW!

thats why we have debate. to convince people what is the right or wrong way.
Crazy_Chris_84
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thats why we have debate. to convince people what is the right or wrong way.

Yes I agree with you on that.

I do see the flaw in my phrase though.

ALL MEMBERS OF SOCIETY MUST BE UNDER A UNIFIED VIEW!

A unified view can still change; abortion being right or wrong in general, it does not really matter. The unified view can still be destoryed by just having one person to offically say that he or she stands defiant on this view.

So I really don't see a solution having a debate. I'm willing to keep an open mind to this and welcome all kinds of counter statements.

MY SUGGESTION: Maybe, use this subject as like a category. Lets just make a list of sub-instances where abortion is applicable and then debate on it.

DoctorHouseNCIS
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Politics is also a big part in this. Government officials would say one thing, and might believe another just to get elected...

locoace3
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right


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on topic:

it's their choice so long as they do it if their not suitable parents raped or something caused them not to be able to take care of the baby properly
Kyouzou
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I advocate Mother's choice, but they could simply give the child away after birth in that case. There is no actual need to abort. However the mother should reserve the right on abortion.

locoace3
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Ugh... I don't have time for Armor Games anymore.
Don't think I'm quitting on arguments because I don't respond.
Abortion is obviously wrong. Cells are living things. If you deny this fact, you deny that most the life on earth is not actually living. Even when a baby is just an embryo, it is still living. Just because it does not share all human* characteristics does not mean it isn't living. Just as people say killing bald eagles or shooting elephants is wrong, so is killing embryos/children. Human minds cannot remember what was felt during their time in the womb, but just because we can't remember it doesn't mean we didn't have feelings (in the meaning other than a nervous system), or, if you're religious, a soul.
It's also undeniable that babies will eventually grow up and become humans (assuming they aren't human to begin with, and that the baby will be delivered safely). Preventing life is the same as killing life.
For example, genocide is not only murder of a certain species but all the organisms in that species that would have been if the species survived.
You can also imagine what life would be like if Obama was aborted. Would America be the same? History would have been changed if he had been aborted. Imagine how different history is going to be because of the millions of babies that are being aborted, without the parents having the slightest idea whether they could be the next Einstein or not. For all we know we could have set back science, art, etc. by decades through abortion because if we hadn't aborted a single baby there would be thousands more scientists, artists, etc.
Abortion is a disgusting way for perverts and irresponsible parents to prevent having to care for a child. Murder is against the law; abortion should be too.


when the other sperm die and blood cells and muscle cells and skin cells die too is it considered murder if so i think i should confess
locoace3
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That cannot be helped, just as a worm dying underground cannot be helped. However, intentionally assassinating what will eventually be a human is (or should be) also considered murder.


â"noun
1.
Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder). â"noun
1.
Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).
-dictionary.com


please read that for me and tell me if it falls under any of those
Kyouzou
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whether they could be the next Einstein or not


You say this as if there is a predestined fate for all humans. Depending on their education, the way they're raised, and their own thoughts, people can become anything. Would you rather a child die in suffering outside of the womb because the parent couldn't care for it?
rafterman
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Abortion is obviously wrong.

No.
Cells are living things. If you deny this fact, you deny that most the life on earth is not actually living.

Yes, all cells are living things, they are not all sentient.
Just as people say killing bald eagles or shooting elephants is wrong, so is killing embryos/children.

Killing bald eagles and elephants excessively is, believe it or not, bad for the food web if said species are endangered, we are not endangered.
Human minds cannot remember what was felt during their time in the womb, but just because we can't remember it doesn't mean we didn't have feelings

Theres also nothing to suggest we did have feelings.
Preventing life is the same as killing life.

Wet dreams should be illegal to have.
You can also imagine what life would be like if Obama was aborted. Would America be the same? History would have been changed if he had been aborted. Imagine how different history is going to be because of the millions of babies that are being aborted, without the parents having the slightest idea whether they could be the next Einstein or not. For all we know we could have set back science, art, etc. by decades through abortion because if we hadn't aborted a single baby there would be thousands more scientists, artists, etc.

What ifs are irrelevent because they have no basis but speculations and the possibilities are(literaly) endless, including bad possibilities. Its far more likely for someone to become an actual murderer than president.
Abortion is a disgusting way for perverts and irresponsible parents to prevent having to care for a child.

Pregnancy can be a problem, abortion can be a solution.
Murder is against the law; abortion should be too.


Eggs are not chickens, pinecones are not trees and the same goes for embryoes and fetus'

They are, in fact, human before birth, and as humans they have feelings, just like humans after birth have feelings

Nothing suggests embryoes have feelings
However, intentionally assassinating what will eventually be a human is (or should be) also considered murder.

Murder specifically describes illegal killing, abortion is not illegal(or killing), it can not be considered murder.
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rafterman, what would you say about partial-birth abortions?

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